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morbo
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join:2002-01-22
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reply to elray

Re: Demand

What do you pay now for tv and internet?


elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink

We pay $30/month for what is now 15/1 cable modem service.

Fios remains unavailable to us, at any price, as does the 10Gbit AT&T/taxpayer-funded muni fiber that has teased us for a decade, sitting just beneath my front window.

No TV service for 3.5 years, since her "travel channel" jumped to a mandatory box rental digital tier. Yes, we cut the cord.

No, we don't stream anything.

In the distant past, we paid $100+/month for just internet service; the price has declined steadily over the years. I don't mind paying a premium for decent and necessary service - but 15/1 is already overkill.


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

said by elray:

I don't mind paying a premium for decent and necessary service - but 15/1 is already overkill.

Sure it is when you do shit all with your Internet connection, but for plenty of people that is a joke.

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA

I've yet to see any legit or necessary application that requires anywhere near that amount of bandwidth.

If and when there is such an application, then one should be willing to pay the premium necessary to feed it.


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

It is only a "premium" because of the lack of competition.


elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA

There is competition. If not, the premium will induce it.



LightS
Premium
join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX

Not everywhere!


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to elray

said by elray:

There is competition. If not, the premium will induce it.

I'd love to know what drugs you're smoking.

dfxmatt

join:2007-08-21
Evanston, IL
reply to elray

really? I can give you an example, immediately.

Have you ever had more than one computer in your house? if so, you're going to instantly need more than that. Have you ever worked from home? If so, again. Have you ever listened to a streaming station (I know, what an idea!) without denying it? Such as youtube, listening to radio online, etc while someone else is trying to do anything? Maybe a computer and 2-3 phones?

The average household needs a TON more than you do. 4 phones in a house on 15/1 is going to be choked on bandwidth.


dfxmatt

join:2007-08-21
Evanston, IL
reply to elray

No, there isn't. If their offering is below the true baseline (which is 50/50 for $35/month, roughly - anything less is about 5 years behind), then their offer is not competitive. Hell, LTE is faster than your 15/1 - as in mobile. That's how far back the speeds are. I don't get how you deny things so much, but nobody else lives in the world you do - that is clear.


elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink

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reply to dfxmatt

That's multiple applications, not one.

If you have more than one computer operating in your household, and you're consuming additional bandwidth, you should be willing to pay for it, not expect your neighbors to underwrite it.

There is certainly room for all pricing models to co-exist. But the one you want ("more") inevitably will have to cost more than the one that respects the single, low-volume subscriber.


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

said by elray:

That's multiple applications, not one.

If you have more than one computer operating in your household, and you're consuming additional bandwidth, you should be willing to pay for it, not expect your neighbors to underwrite it.

There is certainly room for all pricing models to co-exist. But the one you want ("more") inevitably will have to cost more than the one that respects the single, low-volume subscriber.

and? That's quite common now.

Only in your dream world are neighbours underwriting anything.

Except ISPs don't want to offer your version of "less". All they want to offer is rip off or more.
Expand your moderator at work

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink
reply to 34764170

Re: Demand

said by 34764170:

and? That's quite common now.

Only in your dream world are neighbours underwriting anything.

Except ISPs don't want to offer your version of "less". All they want to offer is rip off or more.

Wrong. Time Warner Cable did offer up "less", only to be silenced by Karl Bode and his merry band of populists.

Todays' offerings are substantially cheaper than they were a decade ago, for 3-20x the speed. Hardly a "rip off".

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON

said by elray:

Wrong. Time Warner Cable did offer up "less", only to be silenced by Karl Bode and his merry band of populists.

Todays' offerings are substantially cheaper than they were a decade ago, for 3-20x the speed. Hardly a "rip off".

The way they were planning on doing things and their long term plan was a bad idea for customers and customers let them know what they thought about it. If they offered up a better option and not had the intention of forcing the model on all customers down the road I'm sure it would be Ok and not have such a backlash from customers.

Except what is offered now all too often is a rip off.