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Re: [NFL] Tebow: No future. The lastest info.

said by Draiman:

Preseason is a often the only time for them to show their stuff. If they can't impress the coaches they sit for the season or get cut. You have to EARN field time in the NFL. That starts with preseason field time.

And it's that way for all NFL players. There's no exemption for Tebow despite what his fans say. Like every other NFL player he deserves only what he earns through his play.
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There were questions about his throwing motion and QB ability in college as well, but he seemed to overcome pretty well. He then came to the NFL and took a lousy team to the playoffs. He won that playoff game with a brilliant TD pass in overtime (which is a lot more than Peyton Manning did with the same team a year later).

His team lost 4 out of the last 5 games he started. 3 of the losses were blowouts, 1 of them was a 7-3 loss to the Chiefs. The only game of the last 5 he won was the Pittsburgh game in the playoffs.

It remains to be seen whether Tebow will ever become a successful pro QB, but to pretend he can't play is really weird.

I think it has already been seen that he won't. The league was onto his limited skill set which was why Denver lost 4 of the last 5 games he started, why Denver didn't want him any longer, why only 2 teams in the league wanted him after that (Jets and Jags), and why now neither of those teams wants him either. He's not good enough to be an NFL QB and he can't play any other position.
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That's just it, I don't think he sucks. But I think he's only good at one thing, and the Jets didn't have the players to make what he does do well work on the field.
So they stayed with Sanchez who has a knack for turning the ball over.
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said by Rook008:

That's just it, I don't think he sucks. But I think he's only good at one thing, and the Jets didn't have the players to make what he does do well work on the field.
So they stayed with Sanchez who has a knack for turning the ball over.

He didn't do anything well in Denver or New York hence why both teams didn't make him a part of the plan after seeing his lack of skills. Tebow is the next Jamarcus Russell.
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He accomplished what he did in college because of the system employed by Urban Meyer and the team that surrounded him. You cannot base how someone will perform in the NFL based upon what they did in college. Lastly, Florida Quarterbacks have a long standing history of being flops in the NFL--so Tebow's failure is not surprising in the least bit.



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said by fatness:

said by AB:

The Jets hadn't seen him play for Denver the previous year? Nobody had looked at any film from those games and evaluated him? They knew exactly what they were getting.

No, apparently they didn't know what they were getting. They overestimated either his ability to adapt to their offense or their ability to coach him, or both. It's only about the ten thousandth time a team has assessed a player wrongly.

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Rex Ryan and his coaching staff vastly overrated Tebow's abilities as both a runner and a thrower.
Edited to add this much more thorough explanation of what I was saying:
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They had watched Tebow play in Denver. They knew he was a terrible passer. As accurately mentioned many times previously everyone knew that and everyone knew that just his basic mechanical physical throwing motion was non adequate to be an effective passer. It was believed that some coaching on his throwing mechanics and motion combined with practice could improve that significantly. However, despite dedicated efforts in scrimmages and practice with a dedicated commitment to the Wildcat in that the Jets ran it in scrimmages and practice to develop it and improve both it and Tebow it was a disaster.

Tebow failed to improve his woeful painfully poor throwing ability. With the repeated practices and scrimmages it became clear that Tebow was also not as good of a runner* as believed or evaluated from his limited exposure in Denver.

Right. So, either this Bleacher Report blogger has intimate personal and inside knowledge of events that lead to what became the Tebow fiasco situation, or he's parroting the CYA-speak of Ryan and the Jets organization as to why that situation went so poorly.

I might tend to lean towards door #2 on this one, but of course that's just me.


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said by Draiman:

Tebow is the next Jamarcus Russell.

Actually, Russell is trying to make a comeback. If Russell can show that he is mature enough to take the profession of being a quarterback seriously, then I suspect lots of teams would be willing to give him a chance. Right now though, he is a long way off at 310lbs.

»bleacherreport.com/articles/1526···pisode-1

It would not surprise me if they are of the opinion that everything Tebow did well in the NFL previously was primarily because he was new to the league, so teams did not have much of a scouting report on his ability. Once he played more often, scouts found out exactly what he could and could not do. NFL teams right now probably do not think he can be effective at doing anything as a quarterback.

To NFL teams, it is simple. If Tebow cannot improve what he is deficient at, he will no longer be in the league if he wants to be a quarterback. As nobody is actually pursuing Tebow, he would have to show any improvement via free agent tryout or in another league. I know the Winnipeg Blue Bombers are looking for a quarterback. As far a I know though, his negotiating rights still belongs to the Montreal Alouettes.


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The thing I don't get regarding those that are fans or supporters of Tebow playing and advocating he didn't get a fair chance despite a year in training with the Jets is that there are sources in the league that confirm his teammates that watched him and played with and against him every day were very negative of his abilities and presence on the team, (that was quoted as was the Jet's staff negative ability evaluation), and that for him to be "ignored" one must conclude that every coach and owner in the entire league, ALL of whom just want to win, either are all wrong or all have conspired against him for reasons unknown.

He is competitive warriror, is team oriented--that's certainly a positive. He also is 6'3 and 235 with average speed, good agility for a big man, poor footwork, no moves, an average power runner, and cannot throw well. Those are clearly not the talents of an NFL QB.
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said by Blogger:

his teammates that watched him and played with and against him every day were very negative of his abilities and presence on the team

With the Jets, yes. With the Broncos, there were several teammates that were Tebow supporters. Nobody was upset that they upgraded to Manning, but many of them thought that Tebow should have stayed as a backup. Von Miller did a midfield Tebow after his first sack this year.

Also, saying he cannot throw well, you have to ignore that he is #2 in the NCAA history books in passing efficiency. Somehow, all those others with pretty throwing motions couldn't accomplish what he did. He's also #1 in SEC history in completion percentage. He did something right, and there ought to be someone in the NFL that can figure out a way to use him effectively. It doesn't surprise me that Rex Ryan wasn't that guy.
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I would love to see Tebow next season go to a team that makes it to the Superbowl...and with his team trailing by 3 with under a minute to go, he comes in off the bench and throws a Superbowl winning TD.....

And at that same moment Rex Ryan is speeding through another red light in PA causing a three car crash but this time, instead of cops asking for his autograph, he gets arrested and thrown in a jail cell.....And his one allowed phone call is to Tebow begging him for bail money.



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said by footballdude:

Also, saying he cannot throw well, you have to ignore that he is #2 in the NCAA history books in passing efficiency.

In the NFL you certainly can ignore college football stats, and in fact are wise to do so. College stats don't translate often into NFL success. Danny Wuerffel is the first of many examples that comes to mind.

Back to the point that Tebow can't run the pistol offense --- doing so requires 2 things: pass accurtely and be fast enough to elude defenders when running. Griffin, Wilson, and Kaepernick can do both. Tebow can do neither.
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If you were a NFL head coach and your owner went out and got Tebow and then made it clear to you it is his wish to see Tebow play how would you use him?



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A few wildcat plays per game. Perhaps in goal line situations. And I'd have him spending most of his practice time learning to read defenses which he's poor at. There are young QB's with less college success than him who've learned to do it.
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That sounds good...I asked you due to after reading your sports posts over the years I feel you would make a good head coach.....you're a good fan but also a good knowledgeable thinker of the game....I feel the same with [Rook008].

Have you ever done any coaching of sports on any level?



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No, none at all but thanks for the compliment.

I get in trouble with fellow Redskin fans because when they suck I'll say they suck, and that doesn't go over well with "homers" or fans of the team or of particular players on it. I root like hell for players and teams I like, but I don't say they're good when they're bad.
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he will be here tomorrow for signing autographs at the first game of our new semi-pro football team here in town. maybe he is looking for a job.
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said by jlhugh:

he will be here tomorrow for signing autographs at the first game of our new semi-pro football team here in town. maybe he is looking for a job.

He could be kicking off his campaign down there for Pope.


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said by sailor:

said by jlhugh:

he will be here tomorrow for signing autographs at the first game of our new semi-pro football team here in town. maybe he is looking for a job.

He could be kicking off his campaign down there for Pope.

Actually Manti Teo should. He could spend his time talking to an imaginary person and not get criticized for doing so.
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quote:
Also, saying he cannot throw well, you have to ignore that he is #2 in the NCAA history books in passing efficiency. Somehow, all those others with pretty throwing motions couldn't accomplish what he did. He's also #1 in SEC history in completion percentage.
These stats are irrelevant when it comes to his ability to play in the NFL as it is much easier to throw on college defenses. IF college stats were accurate at predicting success we would not have so many 1st round picks that ended up as busts at every position. There have always been QBs who were tremendous stars in college that ended up failing in the NFL, and that trend will only continue. Admire his heart, tenacity, and leadership abilities--he just is not NFL QB material.

Think he could make a good Fullback if given the chance and he put his mind to it. Would be a persistent Wildcat threat, he's big enough to take on Blitzers in pass protection, and should be big enough to help open some holes for any tailback. Don't know how much more of a chance he will be given in the NFL, but am sure he will land upon his feet no matter what happens.