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DarkLogix
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reply to Snuffbox

Re: Valor will NOT be converted in 5.2

Learn to see grey.

if you consider items that aren't replaced easily or are just awesome (IE DMF)

once the loot list for 5.2 is out it'll be more useful
And VP capping is easy, plus you won't be able to buy new VP gear till you raid rep grind
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Snuffbox
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reply to Cows

said by Cows:

Also they said the current Malv gear will be a higher ilvl than the honor malv gear.

Current upgraded 2/2 Malevolent gear will be better than 5.2 honor Malevolent.

Current 0/2 Malevolent gear will be worse than 5.2 honor Malevolent gear.


Snuffbox
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said by DarkLogix:

Learn to see grey.

if you consider items that aren't replaced easily or are just awesome (IE DMF)

.... Don't spend your Valor unless you're capped.

They took out upgrades to avoid confusion. Blizzard wants people to understand new PvE gear is better than old gear (even if upgraded).

Valor doesn't reset, therefore don't use it unless you're capped.

Period.


Snuffbox
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reply to Jobbie

said by Jobbie:

Honor Cap is out of question.

????????????????


DarkLogix
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said by Snuffbox:

new gear is better than old gear (even if upgraded).

That's what they want you to think, but in reality its not always true.
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Snuffbox
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said by DarkLogix:

said by Snuffbox:

new gear is better than old gear (even if upgraded).

That's what they want you to think, but in reality its not always true.

No, Blizzard has been on a clear path of making things easier/less confusing.

It is 100% why they removed upgrades temporarily.

And now you're further confusing members on this forum.

If you want to provide proof that ______ item is better than new _____ by all means. But I believe you're speaking out of your butt and confusing others.

Don't spend your valor unless capped.

Cows

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reply to Snuffbox

said by Snuffbox:

said by Cows:

Also they said the current Malv gear will be a higher ilvl than the honor malv gear.

Current upgraded 2/2 Malevolent gear will be better than 5.2 honor Malevolent.

Current 0/2 Malevolent gear will be worse than 5.2 honor Malevolent gear.

I just went on MMO and read the blue post and yea WTF the new Malv honor gear will be better than the current.

I thought they said the opposite before.


Jobbie
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reply to Snuffbox

said by Snuffbox:

said by Jobbie:

Honor Cap is out of question.

????????????????

I mean that I must be Honor capped before 5.2 hits, sry my english is not that good.
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Snuffbox
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reply to Cows

Yeah, I know Cows it's weird - they just posted it today I believe. They contradicted themselves, so I'm not 100% sure which one they'll go with.

But in my opinion it'd make sense to make the new honor just barely below 2/2 upgrades, so I believe that's what we'll see in 5.2



Snuffbox
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reply to Jobbie

said by Jobbie:

said by Snuffbox:

said by Jobbie:

Honor Cap is out of question.

????????????????

I mean that I must be Honor capped before 5.2 hits, sry my english is not that good.

Haha, not a problem. Just making sure everyone understands that they should continue to attempt to go into patch honor capped (If you care about PvP that is, if not don't worry about it).


DarkLogix
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said by Snuffbox:

said by DarkLogix:

said by Snuffbox:

new gear is better than old gear (even if upgraded).

That's what they want you to think, but in reality its not always true.

No, Blizzard has been on a clear path of making things easier/less confusing.

It is 100% why they removed upgrades temporarily.

And now you're further confusing members on this forum.

If you want to provide proof that ______ item is better than new _____ by all means. But I believe you're speaking out of your butt and confusing others.

Don't spend your valor unless capped.

ok then, post some of the new items and some numbers as to how many of some slot/type items there are in the raid?

and consider most won't even be able to buy any of the new VP items for a week or so in.
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Cows

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reply to Snuffbox

If the honor gear will be better than current Malv could it be any good for a fresh 90 to cheese into LFR ?
I have not pve'd at all but wouldnt this change make the new honor gear better than the heroic dungeon gear?



Snuffbox
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Yes and no.

They keep the item levels of PvP gear below that of PvE for that reason.

Aditionally as I'm sure you're aware. The PvP Power and PvP Resilience do nothing in Raids/Dungeons so that's meant to be a further deterrent to wearing the incorrect gear in either instance.

But ultimately you're right, whichever is easier to obtain at the time will become the "welfare epics" and it's unavoidable at some level.



Jobbie
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Yeah all it matters for LFR is item level fresh 90s now have the option to get Malevolent pieces to speed the gearing up process a little bit.
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Snuffbox
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reply to DarkLogix

said by DarkLogix:

ok then, post some of the new items and some numbers as to how many of some slot/type items there are in the raid?

and consider most won't even be able to buy any of the new VP items for a week or so in.

Dark, I'm being purely logical. If you're correct and an old piece is better, then historically you can still purchase that old piece even after 5.2 has hit so it'd still be wise to wait.

I'm sorry if that's not what you did, doesn't justify suggesting that to others.

Again, the only time you should be spending your Valor is if you're capped (or about to be obviously).

Cows

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I know the pvp stats do nothing but most of that gear still has good basic stats: str, int, sta, and like you say honor is soo easy to get and then you can buy every slot you need without trying for drops.



Snuffbox
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Yes.

Most of my toons don't have PvE gear these days. If I join a Raid I'm often in full PvP gear. My Warrior pulls aggro off tanks occasionally even in PvP gear so the system isn't perfect. (My rogue hits like a wet noodle in PvE or PvP gear.)



DarkLogix
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said by Snuffbox:

said by DarkLogix:

ok then, post some of the new items and some numbers as to how many of some slot/type items there are in the raid?

and consider most won't even be able to buy any of the new VP items for a week or so in.

Dark, I'm being purely logical. If you're correct and an old piece is better, then historically you can still purchase that old piece even after 5.2 has hit so it'd still be wise to wait.

You'll be able to buy it you won't be able to upgrade it.
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DarkLogix
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said by Jobbie:

Yeah all it matters for LFR is item level fresh 90s now have the option to get Malevolent pieces to speed the gearing up process a little bit.

ARRG

LFR needs a PvP gear check, if over some percent then not allowed to que for pve.
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Snuffbox
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Or you could look at recount and remove those that are underperfoming rather than sticking your nose up simply because someone in the group has PvP gear on.

Never remotely near bottom DPS despite my gear, it would be comical to be filtered out because someone inspected and found out I had zomg PvP gear on.

Conversely I enjoy when PvP players discover certain PvE set bonuses that benefit them in some way in PvP.



Immer
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and that's why I like going into LFR with 2 tanks. I can say in vent, "wait, don't pull... need to kick some folks who aren't contributing"...
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DarkLogix
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Sure most in LFR are crap.

BTw I wouldn't doubt that you were beating the lesser geared PvP LFR'ers (there's lots of them.)

on amber shaper the other week someone was like OMG you beat the meter, I was just like Oh really just imagine if I hadn't had to run away from the large construct because it kept aggroing on me.

Ya there's tons of pvp geared and/or don't know how to play in LFR so just ignore the bottom 20 on the dps meter unless the top 10 are just about even.
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Snuffbox
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said by Immer:

and that's why I like going into LFR with 2 tanks. I can say in vent, "wait, don't pull... need to kick some folks who aren't contributing"...

Yep, frustrating sometimes how hard it can be to get someone kicked out too. If you know what you're doing you can just keep yourself in combat etc.


Carpie

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reply to DarkLogix

I topped the meter on Sha of Fear yesterday in LFR at 62k which is just sad because I was being completely lazy, not at all making an attempt to use the rotation optimally. If you actually take the time to scroll down to the dps below the top 10, you'll cry. I don't do it just because I don't want to get my 'puter wet with tears.



Carpie

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reply to Jobbie

said by Jobbie:

Oh bummer, I only have 1 piece of Malevolent, rest is Dreadful, so I will cap Conquest for 2 weeks and spend on Malevolent before the patch hits. Honor Cap is out of question.

Thanks for the update.

Not sure if you read it yet or not, but MMO Champions released an article this afternoon (3 hrs ago) on this that is probably worth reading. I can post it as a new thread if it would help.


Snuffbox
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That's the one Cow and I were discussing. I'm sure people would appreciate the article, post it. I would have if I wasn't websensed.



Carpie

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Yeah I made that correlation after posting. Posted the MMO Champ comments.

Snuff I'm websensed also but get it through Google Reader (google.com/reader) which gets by the websense. Might work for you too.