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Gone
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reply to donoreo

Re: GTA getting new area codes 437 and 365

said by donoreo:

It was on TV, in newspapers, etc. I cannot understand how they did not hear about it. My mom even knew!

What people see and what people believe to be relevant to their life and retain after seeing it are two entirely different things.


Gone
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said by peterboro:

No problem here I ignore everything that isn't 705.

That'll work for a year or two until you start seeing landlines with 249. Then you're up shit creek.


donoreo
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reply to Gone
said by Gone:

said by donoreo:

It was on TV, in newspapers, etc. I cannot understand how they did not hear about it. My mom even knew!

What people see and what people believe to be relevant to their life and retain after seeing it are two entirely different things.

You mean like most threads on here?
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Gone
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said by donoreo:

You mean like most threads on here?

What are we talking about again?


peterboro
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reply to Gone
said by Gone:

said by peterboro:

No problem here I ignore everything that isn't 705.

That'll work for a year or two until you start seeing landlines with 249. Then you're up shit creek.

Then I'll ignore EVERYTHING that isn't programmed into my phones.


donoreo
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North York, ON
said by peterboro:

said by Gone:

said by peterboro:

No problem here I ignore everything that isn't 705.

That'll work for a year or two until you start seeing landlines with 249. Then you're up shit creek.

Then I'll ignore EVERYTHING that isn't programmed into my phones.

Do you still have a hard time dialing all 10 digits too? When I was young in Port Hope I only had to dial 5 (5-1234 for 885-1234).
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The irony of common sense, it is not that common.
I cannot deny anything I did not say.
A kitten dies every time someone uses "then" and "than" incorrectly.
I mock people who give their children odd spelling of names.

peterboro
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said by donoreo:

Do you still have a hard time dialing all 10 digits too? When I was young in Port Hope I only had to dial 5 (5-1234 for 885-1234).

Yes, so I don't and it plays a reminder and still puts the call through.


donoreo
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North York, ON
said by peterboro:

said by donoreo:

Do you still have a hard time dialing all 10 digits too? When I was young in Port Hope I only had to dial 5 (5-1234 for 885-1234).

Yes, so I don't and it plays a reminder and still puts the call through.

Does it still? I thought they were disabling that a long time ago.
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The irony of common sense, it is not that common.
I cannot deny anything I did not say.
A kitten dies every time someone uses "then" and "than" incorrectly.
I mock people who give their children odd spelling of names.


Thane_Bitter
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reply to Gone
It would be nice if they offered up a preview but no doubt it would cause more confusion than clarity as planning was adjusted to keep up with actual demand.

They have lots of time to add one for 519/226, by their own estimates the current system should be good to the year 2017. The only reason they have started the process is because the exhaustion date has slipped ahead by ten months based on data taken this last summer.

peterboro
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reply to donoreo
said by donoreo:

said by peterboro:

said by donoreo:

Do you still have a hard time dialing all 10 digits too? When I was young in Port Hope I only had to dial 5 (5-1234 for 885-1234).

Yes, so I don't and it plays a reminder and still puts the call through.

Does it still? I thought they were disabling that a long time ago.

Not yet.

dragonfly5

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reply to donoreo
Get rid of area codes altogether, they're redundant. There's no such thing as "long distance" in the internet era.


Steve
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said by dragonfly5:

Get rid of area codes altogether, they're redundant. There's no such thing as "long distance" in the internet era.

And replace them with ... ?


LazMan
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reply to donoreo
Splits are a pain to implement on several levels...

Overlays are easier technically; and practically. There's always a pissed off party when a split is done - the one who loses their 'old' number.

As for 365, I've been talking about getting Nxx 247 as a vanity exchange for maybe a year and a half now... Anyone with a service business would love 365-247 (although 247-365 would be better...)


donoreo
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reply to Steve
said by Steve:

said by dragonfly5:

Get rid of area codes altogether, they're redundant. There's no such thing as "long distance" in the internet era.

And replace them with ... ?

In theory, IPV6 addresses.


J E F F
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reply to Gone
Also regarding assignment: any state or province with only 1 area code was assigned with the middle number as a 0, all states and provinces with more than 1 area code got assigned a middle number with a 1. Further, the first and last digit that was assigned indicated the importance of the city...the more prominent the city, the lower the number. New York was 212, for example. This was because rotary phones were used, and dialling 1 and 2 were the quickest, while 0 was the longest. New York area code was the easiest and fastest to dial.

I know, complete nerd talk..but interesting when I read how they assigned area codes originally.
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LazMan
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canada
reply to donoreo
Back in the days of mechanical and semi-mechanical switches; there were a lot of technical considerations about NPA's and NXX's that no longer apply, but are still in play... Things like not having 2 digits the same in a row in an NPA, toll calls starting with a 1 or 0 only, etc...

As for NPA/NXX exhaustion, there's a lot of devices (cellular data, mostly) that technically have a number assigned for billing and tracking; even if its not published... That burns up assignable pools quickly.


corster
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Gatineau, QC
reply to Gone
said by Gone:

said by donoreo:

How stupid could those people be? It was EVERYWHERE that Toronto was getting a second area code.

Same thing happened here. Some people have different priorities in their lives than to know NPA planning, I guess.

I guarantee you most of the of the people that live in the eastern half of 905 still have no idea what 289 is.


Gone
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said by corster:

I guarantee you most of the of the people that live in the eastern half of 905 still have no idea what 289 is.

If they don't, that doesn't make much sense. Cobourg has just as many 289 prefixes as 905.

Even on the really rural west-end out in Dunnville and Cayuga they have 289s, and the real kicker is that they both have more 289s than 905s now.


corster
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Gatineau, QC

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said by Gone:

said by corster:

I guarantee you most of the of the people that live in the eastern half of 905 still have no idea what 289 is.

If they don't, that doesn't make much sense. Cobourg has just as many 289 prefixes as 905.

Even on the really rural west-end out in Dunnville and Cayuga they have 289s, and the real kicker is that they both have more 289s than 905s now.

You got me there. I forgot that anything exists east of Oshawa

Lumped them in with 705 for some reason.


elwoodblues
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reply to corster
And 705


elwoodblues
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reply to lugnut
The issue is the way numbers are handed out to CLECs, ILECs, et all. IIRC correctly they're given numbers in blocks of 10k. Rogers, Bell and others are probably still sitting on 416 numbers.


squircle

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Oakville, ON
said by elwoodblues:

Rogers, Bell and others are probably still sitting on 416 numbers.

One of my friends just got a cellphone for the first time and was assigned a Bell 416-998-xxxx number, so maybe they're getting close. It seems that 998 is Bell, 999 is Telus.


corster
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said by squircle:

said by elwoodblues:

Rogers, Bell and others are probably still sitting on 416 numbers.

One of my friends just got a cellphone for the first time and was assigned a Bell 416-998-xxxx number, so maybe they're getting close. It seems that 998 is Bell, 999 is Telus.

Phone numbers are also recycled, so when someone cancels their service, the number makes it's way back in to the pool (after 6 months if I recall correctly).


LazMan
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Depends on the carrier; can be as short as 30 days before a number is re-issued; but typically it's about 90 days.


Xstar_Lumini

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reply to donoreo
Stupid! Phone numbers are recycled and enough people cancel them to give to new customers, the GTA has 5 million people NOT 45 million so what's going on?


LazMan
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I have 9 devices with assigned #'s in my house... 3 cellphones, 2 VoIP lines, an air card in my laptop; a car with OnStar and 2 tablets with cell-modems. If I had a cellular modem in my alarm, that would bring me to 10...

The tablets and onstar don't have published numbers, but there are numbers assigned by the cell provider for billing and routing purposes.

mr weather
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Similar here. Three cellphones, one landline and one 3G iPad. My car has OnStar but it's disconnected right now.
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J E F F
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reply to Gone
said by Gone:

said by J E F F:

Well, closer to 45 million or so, you lose 12 million right away because no number starts with a 0 or 1, plus another 3 million or so reserved exchanges, like 911, 411, etc.

You also lose all numbers that have 9 as a middle digit as well as all of the triple digit numbers and numbers with the same last two or same first two digits.

What did you mean? My old number was 895 in an area of the city. As well as an 888 number....(headache when the 1-888 numbers came out)
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Gone
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I was talking about area codes for some reason.

At one time an NXX couldn't have 1 or 0 as the first or second digit. Now it's just the first.


J E F F
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reply to squircle
At one time, 998 was a reserved number. You could dial 998 and the last four digits of your phone, hang up, and the phone would call you back. It was a neat trick back then.

Anyway, I loved this comment:

I remember our phone # in Toronto in the '50s. The "Central office code" was only two digits and they were expressed as letters - in my case "GE" (for Gerrard St.).

I still remember that phone number after 55 years, but what movie did i watch on Netflix last night - no idea!

That's progress, i guess.
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