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lugnut

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reply to donoreo

Re: GTA getting new area codes 437 and 365

By yumpin yiminy!!! That's 60 MILLION possible phone numbers. What earthly reason could there be for that many phone numbers in the GTA?

It's hard enough keeping 4 area codes straight in my mind as it is.



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In the case of 905/289/soon-to-be-365, you need to assign at least one NXX to each individual rate centre for each individual ILEC/CLEC. A few dozen rate centres, a few dozen different CLECs who want to serve the rate centres and you get the idea. 289 now even has Bell Canada telephone numbers assigned to it in the GTA, and the area code is nearly full due to the way the NXXes are assigned.

Toronto is different. It's all one massive rate centre. You only assign NXXes as needed for Toronto and that's it. 647 still has quite a bit of room, but I suppose the CRTC sees fit to implement their own third area code at the exact same time so Toronto does not feel inferior for the next five years or so until it's actually needed.



donoreo
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said by Gone:

In the case of 905/289/soon-to-be-365, you need to assign at least one NXX to each individual rate centre for each individual ILEC/CLEC. A few dozen rate centres, a few dozen different CLECs who want to serve the rate centres and you get the idea. 289 now even has Bell Canada telephone numbers assigned to it in the GTA, and the area code is nearly full due to the way the NXXes are assigned.

Toronto is different. It's all one massive rate centre. You only assign NXXes as needed for Toronto and that's it. 647 still has quite a bit of room, but I suppose the CRTC sees fit to implement their own third area code at the exact same time so Toronto does not feel inferior for the next five years or so until it's actually needed.

Or...the CRTC wants to piss off born and raised Torontonians? They still hate getting anything other than a 416 number
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J E F F
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reply to lugnut

said by lugnut :

By yumpin yiminy!!! That's 60 MILLION possible phone numbers. What earthly reason could there be for that many phone numbers in the GTA?

It's hard enough keeping 4 area codes straight in my mind as it is.

Well, closer to 45 million or so, you lose 12 million right away because no number starts with a 0 or 1, plus another 3 million or so reserved exchanges, like 911, 411, etc.

Anyone know what the relief area code is for 519/226? For edit note, 519/226 will have exhausted all exhanges within 46 months from today.

Further, ever wonder why the original code only had a 1 or 0 as middle number?
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said by J E F F:

Anyone know what the relief area code is for 519/226? For edit note, 519/226 will have exhausted all exhanges within 46 months from today.

I don't think they have decided on a number yet, they have just started the process as of a few months ago.

CRTC's original statement regarding the need for new numbers in this area and out West: »www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/com100/2012/r121129.htm

If you are bored silly the actual answer might be buried here, though from a quick look they don't have a number yet:
»www.cnac.ca/npa_codes/relief/226···-519.htm


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said by J E F F:

Well, closer to 45 million or so, you lose 12 million right away because no number starts with a 0 or 1, plus another 3 million or so reserved exchanges, like 911, 411, etc.

You also lose all numbers that have 9 as a middle digit as well as all of the triple digit numbers and numbers with the same last two or same first two digits.

said by J E F F:

Further, ever wonder why the original code only had a 1 or 0 as middle number?

Back in the days of mechanical switching a 0 or 1 as the middle digit indicated it was an area code, and NXXes at the time had any number except 0 or 1 as the middle number.


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said by Thane_Bitter:

I don't think they have decided on a number yet, they have just started the process as of a few months ago.

The number is typically decided well before relief planning starts, sometimes even years before. Often times it's just that (usually) no public announcements are made about it.

If 519/226 is due for another overlay, you can bet CNAC already has a number assigned for it, as well as a another one for after that.

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reply to lugnut

said by lugnut :

It's hard enough keeping 4 area codes straight in my mind as it is.

No problem here I ignore everything that isn't 705.


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said by peterboro:

No problem here I ignore everything that isn't 705.

That'll work for a year or two until you start seeing landlines with 249. Then you're up shit creek.

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said by Gone:

said by peterboro:

No problem here I ignore everything that isn't 705.

That'll work for a year or two until you start seeing landlines with 249. Then you're up shit creek.

Then I'll ignore EVERYTHING that isn't programmed into my phones.


donoreo
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said by peterboro:

said by Gone:

said by peterboro:

No problem here I ignore everything that isn't 705.

That'll work for a year or two until you start seeing landlines with 249. Then you're up shit creek.

Then I'll ignore EVERYTHING that isn't programmed into my phones.

Do you still have a hard time dialing all 10 digits too? When I was young in Port Hope I only had to dial 5 (5-1234 for 885-1234).
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said by donoreo:

Do you still have a hard time dialing all 10 digits too? When I was young in Port Hope I only had to dial 5 (5-1234 for 885-1234).

Yes, so I don't and it plays a reminder and still puts the call through.


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said by peterboro:

said by donoreo:

Do you still have a hard time dialing all 10 digits too? When I was young in Port Hope I only had to dial 5 (5-1234 for 885-1234).

Yes, so I don't and it plays a reminder and still puts the call through.

Does it still? I thought they were disabling that a long time ago.
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A kitten dies every time someone uses "then" and "than" incorrectly.
I mock people who give their children odd spelling of names.


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It would be nice if they offered up a preview but no doubt it would cause more confusion than clarity as planning was adjusted to keep up with actual demand.

They have lots of time to add one for 519/226, by their own estimates the current system should be good to the year 2017. The only reason they have started the process is because the exhaustion date has slipped ahead by ten months based on data taken this last summer.


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reply to donoreo

said by donoreo:

said by peterboro:

said by donoreo:

Do you still have a hard time dialing all 10 digits too? When I was young in Port Hope I only had to dial 5 (5-1234 for 885-1234).

Yes, so I don't and it plays a reminder and still puts the call through.

Does it still? I thought they were disabling that a long time ago.

Not yet.


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Also regarding assignment: any state or province with only 1 area code was assigned with the middle number as a 0, all states and provinces with more than 1 area code got assigned a middle number with a 1. Further, the first and last digit that was assigned indicated the importance of the city...the more prominent the city, the lower the number. New York was 212, for example. This was because rotary phones were used, and dialling 1 and 2 were the quickest, while 0 was the longest. New York area code was the easiest and fastest to dial.

I know, complete nerd talk..but interesting when I read how they assigned area codes originally.
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reply to lugnut

The issue is the way numbers are handed out to CLECs, ILECs, et all. IIRC correctly they're given numbers in blocks of 10k. Rogers, Bell and others are probably still sitting on 416 numbers.



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said by elwoodblues:

Rogers, Bell and others are probably still sitting on 416 numbers.

One of my friends just got a cellphone for the first time and was assigned a Bell 416-998-xxxx number, so maybe they're getting close. It seems that 998 is Bell, 999 is Telus.


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said by squircle:

said by elwoodblues:

Rogers, Bell and others are probably still sitting on 416 numbers.

One of my friends just got a cellphone for the first time and was assigned a Bell 416-998-xxxx number, so maybe they're getting close. It seems that 998 is Bell, 999 is Telus.

Phone numbers are also recycled, so when someone cancels their service, the number makes it's way back in to the pool (after 6 months if I recall correctly).


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Depends on the carrier; can be as short as 30 days before a number is re-issued; but typically it's about 90 days.



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said by Gone:

said by J E F F:

Well, closer to 45 million or so, you lose 12 million right away because no number starts with a 0 or 1, plus another 3 million or so reserved exchanges, like 911, 411, etc.

You also lose all numbers that have 9 as a middle digit as well as all of the triple digit numbers and numbers with the same last two or same first two digits.

What did you mean? My old number was 895 in an area of the city. As well as an 888 number....(headache when the 1-888 numbers came out)
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I was talking about area codes for some reason.

At one time an NXX couldn't have 1 or 0 as the first or second digit. Now it's just the first.



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At one time, 998 was a reserved number. You could dial 998 and the last four digits of your phone, hang up, and the phone would call you back. It was a neat trick back then.

Anyway, I loved this comment:

I remember our phone # in Toronto in the '50s. The "Central office code" was only two digits and they were expressed as letters - in my case "GE" (for Gerrard St.).

I still remember that phone number after 55 years, but what movie did i watch on Netflix last night - no idea!

That's progress, i guess.
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MUtual, WEbster and CAnal were the three COs in St. Catharines. I know this and not even my mother was born yet in the 1950s.



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HA! I don't any of ours...I'm sure my mom would, though I think I recall one being...something like ADams ### and BRidgeport ###..stuff like that.
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Re: GTA getting new area codes 437 and 365

said by J E F F:

HA! I don't any of ours...I'm sure my mom would, though I think I recall one being...something like ADams ### and BRidgeport ###..stuff like that.

Look them up here: »ourwebhome.com/TENP/TENproject.html


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Interesting....SHerwood!



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Here in Fort Erie, I don't believe they ever had CO names that anyone ever used. Back in those days you only had to dial four digits to call anyone, and by the time that changed they used numbers instead.

People in this town *still* only give out the last four digits of their phone number on the assumption you know it's an 871 number. It's weird.