PJL
join:2008-07-24
Long Beach, CA
kudos:2 | Netflix Open Connect Does anybody know if Verizon is moving to implement this? It would offer improved quality for some Netflix content. We used to get some 1080p through our FiOS connection but not since this was implemented by Netflix. |
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HooperPremium
join:2001-10-22
Villanova, PA | If you want to pay a few bucks you can use this service to fake out netflix. They have a free trial. I use it for gamecenter on the Xbox to get around NHL blackout rules.
»support.unblock-us.com/customer/···netflix- |
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PJL
join:2008-07-24
Long Beach, CA
kudos:2 Reviews:
 ·Verizon FiOS
| Thanks, but I'm not going to do a VPN thing and pay. Verizon should just implement this -- it doesn't cost them anything. So I'm still wondering if anybody knows Verizon's intentions. The post on their suggestion forum is very vague: Post: "Please join the newly announce Netflix Open Connect so that we can access the 3d content and "super HD" from Netflix." The Verizon reply: "We are happy to receive your idea. I currently do not have the answer to this one. I will pass this on to the appropriate team." |
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I would say Verizon's intentions are clear »www.redboxinstant.com/rbgatekeeper/ why would they want to pay for a competitors product when they are going to go at them with their own service.
EDIT: The cost thing is also bogus, people do not take into account that the product runs on servers that Verizon would have to host, that means electric and man power to install it which while a small cost does add up when you have to run hundreds of them to keep up with demand. |
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PJL
join:2008-07-24
Long Beach, CA
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| said by flashcore:I would say Verizon's intentions are clear »www.redboxinstant.com/rbgatekeeper/ why would they want to pay for a competitors product when they are going to go at them with their own service.
EDIT: The cost thing is also bogus, people do not take into account that the product runs on servers that Verizon would have to host, that means electric and man power to install it which while a small cost does add up when you have to run hundreds of them to keep up with demand.
The cost is free to Verizon. The product does not have to run on servers that Verizon would have to host. That is only one option for how it can be implemented. "ISPs can directly connect their networks to Open Connect for free. ISPs can do this either by free peering with Netflix at common Internet exchanges, or can save even more transit costs by putting Netflix free storage appliances in or near their network." |
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guppy_fishPremium
join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
kudos:1 Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
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Why should Verizon do anything at all, there is no issues with a 5mbs "Super HD" stream as is, this is Netflix trying to push costs into the network instead of them improving there peering ( pay for it )
Verizon already is about 30% of the internet back bone, its pointless for them to do anything |
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PJL
join:2008-07-24
Long Beach, CA
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| said by guppy_fish:Why should Verizon do anything at all, there is no issues with a 5mbs "Super HD" stream as is, this is Netflix trying to push costs into the network instead of them improving there peering ( pay for it )
Verizon already is about 30% of the internet back bone, its pointless for them to do anything
Why would this "push costs into the network?" Anything that reduces overall network traffic helps us, the users, in the long run because it keeps overall network -- and Netflix -- costs down. We pay for all of it in the end, don't we? |
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guppy_fishPremium
join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
kudos:1 Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| NexFlix is looking to have free peering to a large portion of there customers. They only push bits they don't carry anyone else's traffic.
If you do some reading, you will find NextFlix is running out of options, they keep trying new company's to peer traffic for them, but like Amazon found out, they send so much data, no one can make money being their peer point ( Amazon claims to be loosing a half a billion this year on supporting NetFlix )
It no less traffic for Verizon, it just gives Netflix a free peering point instead of paying for the traffic for its subscribers
To be clear, Verizon isn't in the least bit constrained, Netflix can send you the bogus Super HD right now |
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 aaronwtPremium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
·Verizon FiOS
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said by PJL:Does anybody know if Verizon is moving to implement this? It would offer improved quality for some Netflix content. We used to get some 1080p through our FiOS connection but not since this was implemented by Netflix.
You should still be able to get 1080P from netflix. I have no problem getting 1080P streams from Netflix with the FiOS DNS servers. You just won't be able to get the Super HD or 3D streams from Netflix.
I recently signed up with UnBlock US to have access to the Super HD and 3D streams from Netflix. But it is also inconsistent that way. One title you might get the Super HD or 3D stream and the next title you try might not get it. So you have to back out of the Netflix app and then start the app again so you can hopefully access a server that has the SuperHD and 3D streams. |
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rebus9
join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
 ·Bright House
4 edits | reply to PJL
said by PJL:Verizon should just implement this -- it doesn't cost them anything. Make a BUSINESS case for it. There ARE costs with OpenConnect-- both CapEx and OpEx.
Verizon has tremendous capacity within their own network, they don't pay for transit, and they have plenty of interconnection capacity with their peers. Do you think Verizon cares HOW Netflix traffic reaches them? Not really.
Try to make a business case for OpenConnect from Verizon's perspective, in dollars and cents, and you'll have a hard time reaching the numbers in favor of it.
If anything, the pressure will be on Netflix. They are withholding their premium streams from their own subscribers in order to force ISPs to peer with them-- by getting subscribers to complain to their ISPs. Just like you're doing.
But have you asked WHY Netflix is doing this in the first place? Simple answer-- they want to reduce their own transit costs.
Follow the money. |
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PJL
join:2008-07-24
Long Beach, CA
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| said by rebus9:said by PJL:Verizon should just implement this -- it doesn't cost them anything. Make a BUSINESS case for it. There ARE costs with OpenConnect-- both CapEx and OpEx. Please describe what these costs would be. Netflix maintains there are no costs, so I would like to understand your claim. |
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rebus9
join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
·Bright House
3 edits | said by PJL:said by rebus9:said by PJL:Verizon should just implement this -- it doesn't cost them anything. Make a BUSINESS case for it. There ARE costs with OpenConnect-- both CapEx and OpEx. Please describe what these costs would be. Netflix maintains there are no costs, so I would like to understand your claim. There are 2 ways to participate in OpenConnect.
One is to peer with Netflix at POPs where Netflix has a presence. That means incurring costs for ports, cross-connects, etc., as well as ongoing engineering to monitor and maintain the interconnections (BGP sessions, traffic flows, troubleshooting, etc). Given the scope of Verizon's footprint, there would have to be interconnections in multiple cities, so costs are multiplied.
NOTE that this assumes VZ and Netflix have a presence in the same locations. If not, then factor in additional costs for transport (backhaul).
The other is to put their "storage devices" on your own network. That requires rackspace, power, cooling, ports, and some level of human hands. Given the scope of Verizon's footprint and the sheer volume of streams they'd serve, these storage devices would have to be located throughout the country, so the costs are multiplied.
The problem is people who aren't in this field don't understand the costs involved. When you buy a Linksys router or Netgear switch, the ports are almost "free". The incremental cost to add a new PC to your home network is almost nil.
But for carrier-class equipment, adding line cards with 10 Gbps or 100 Gbps ports, along with the routing engine capacity and switching fabric needed to pass and monitor that traffic, you need to think in terms of at least 5 figures per peering location if we're talking about 10 Gig ports, and at 6 figures if multiple 10 Gig or 100 Gig.
The bean counters will ask how that investment would save money, versus maintaining the status quo of bringing in Netflix traffic over infrastructure and peering that is already in place.
I see OpenConnect as more beneficial for Tier 2 and Tier 3 carriers who incur transit expenses for Netflix traffic, or where Netflix traffic is causing your peering interconnects to run hot (saturated). |
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