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Re: [WIN8] What software for getting start menu back? said by JohnInSJ:Microsoft does listen to its users. It makes changes based on what most of them want.
Based on what I've seen in the latest offerings of Microsoft, it seems that this stopped being the case after Bill Gates stepped away from the company and is instead making changes based on what it wants to force its users to use. |
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kudos:2 | That's my impression too. At that point they began removing useful features and radically moving products in directions, that the company considered was better for their bottom line, ignoring what the users actually needed in the process. The first steps in that direction we saw in Vista and then in Office, where users were forced to accept ribbon (despite of the massive feedback, asking for an option there). The pure marketing ruling of the company has been started... 
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said by urbanriot:said by JohnInSJ:Microsoft does listen to its users. It makes changes based on what most of them want.
Based on what I've seen in the latest offerings of Microsoft, it seems that this stopped being the case after Bill Gates stepped away from the company and is instead making changes based on what it wants to force its users to use. You're failing to consider the customers it is losing to other systems which don't look like Windows/Office from 10 years ago. The installed base is always the bane of progress.
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| said by JohnInSJ:said by urbanriot:said by JohnInSJ:Microsoft does listen to its users. It makes changes based on what most of them want.
Based on what I've seen in the latest offerings of Microsoft, it seems that this stopped being the case after Bill Gates stepped away from the company and is instead making changes based on what it wants to force its users to use. You're failing to consider the customers it is losing to other systems which don't look like Windows/Office from 10 years ago. The installed base is always the bane of progress. Sorry, but there is no way that one can consider any of this as "progress"... |
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| said by Kerodo:Sorrym, but there is no way that one can consider any of this as "progress"...
Sure one can - if they're willing to let go of some old stuff, and learn new stuff. It's really not that radical a change.
A common misconception on the Internet: I don't like X means no one likes X.
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| said by JohnInSJ:said by Kerodo:Sorrym, but there is no way that one can consider any of this as "progress"...
Sure one can - if they're willing to let go of some old stuff, and learn new stuff. It's really not that radical a change. A common misconception on the Internet: I don't like X means no one likes X. For me, progress implies improvement. Based on general user reaction to 8 and all that goes with it, I'd say that many don't find much improvement or progress there.
I'm sure MS defines progress as movement towards a goal, and I have no doubt they have their goals with 8. But that doesn't necessarily coincide with what the public wants or needs... |
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| said by Kerodo: But that doesn't necessarily coincide with what some of the public wants or needs...
This.
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| said by JohnInSJ:said by Kerodo: But that doesn't necessarily coincide with what some of the public wants or needs...
This. I realize that we just disagree here, but all I would say is, just take a poll and ask users everywhere if they do or don't like 8. I would be willing to bet that the vast majority DON'T like it...
But I'm sure you will disagree..  |
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kudos:2 | said by Kerodo:I realize that we just disagree here, but all I would say is, just take a poll and ask users everywhere if they do or don't like 8. I would be willing to bet that the vast majority DON'T like it...
But I'm sure you will disagree..
Well, I'm one person that does like Windows 8. You can read more about my experience here
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said by Kerodo:said by JohnInSJ:said by Kerodo: But that doesn't necessarily coincide with what some of the public wants or needs...
This. I realize that we just disagree here, but all I would say is, just take a poll and ask users everywhere if they do or don't like 8. I would be willing to bet that the vast majority DON'T like it... But I'm sure you will disagree.. If the poll were of DSLR users or Apple bloggers, no - I agree totally you're right.
You really have no way of knowing what the "vast majority" like or don't like. Neither do I. The error is always in making assumptions.
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said by JohnInSJ:You're failing to consider the customers it is losing to other systems which don't look like Windows/Office from 10 years ago. The installed base is always the bane of progress.
... what, like Mac OS, which has had the same stale look since 2001?
Seemingly unrelated, Mac OS market share went from 1% to more than 5% since 2001... |
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| said by urbanriot:said by JohnInSJ:You're failing to consider the customers it is losing to other systems which don't look like Windows/Office from 10 years ago. The installed base is always the bane of progress.
... what, like Mac OS, which has had the same stale look since 2001? Actually GREAT example - in ML, OSX is beginning to take on many UI elements from iOS. Once they release touch, it will be nearly indistinguishable.
Oh, and if you think OSX looks the same as it did in 2001, you must not use it much.
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| Well it's probably not the first time you're wrong... One of the four monitors in front of me is displaying the desktop of my Mac Pro.
Considering the context of this conversation is the Windows interface, since Cheetah, nothing drastic has changed concerning the usability of the operating system outside of evolutionary changes... which is exactly the same experience with Microsoft's Windows XP -> Vista -> Windows 7.
Jaguar added fancy graphics, like Vista, Panther added Finder and their version of fast user switching, changes you could argue came with Vista / 7, Tiger added some further add-ons. Leopard tweaked the look. etc., etc., etc.
Again, Mac OS made evolutionary improvements to the interface and increased their market share and sales.
Microsoft made evolutionary improvements to their interface until Windows 8, where they drastically disrupted their evolution to give people what they arrogantly insist is better for them. This is not an evolutionary improvement, it's an outright change that could be argued goes against evolution. |
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Microsoft see a humongous market out there where they have almost no presence: cell phones and tablets.
They figure if they can get their desktop computer market to adapt an interface that they can duplicate in that un-tapped market it will be a natural extension for most users and it'll allow them to take over the mobile device market like they own the desktop computer market.
It's a bold move, not without it's merits, but there is also a very real risk of their desktop users getting completely turned off that interface, which means they would not only fail to take over the mobile market but they would also lose desktop market.
They've been bold in the past, and largely succeeded, despite everyone else predicting their failure. The stakes are much higher now though, and only time will tell how well that strategy will succeed.
In the mean time, I hate Windows 8  |
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said by urbanriot:Well it's probably not the first time you're wrong...
Not even close to the first time. However, you be sure and check back real soon. Like this fall, maybe.
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FYI, Start Menu X Pro license is free today on Giveaway of the Day...
»de.giveawayoftheday.com/
Dennis Nazarenko - OrdinarySoft - he's been making Start Menu Alternatives for years (Vista Start Menu / Start Menu 7) |
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Well, about to turn in, but a reflection: After my 3rd day with my new laptop (well, a couple hours with it), I am starting to warm up to laptop use AND Win8, though WITH the change as discussed here. I discovered that the touchpad on my new computer is not as flaky as I thought and that the reason it was doing "stuff" was because it is a gesture enable touchpad. And, though I am still learning the gestures (I'm a slow learner), they are quite cool. In fact, coming back to the desktop here, and my mouse, felt disconcerting afterwards.
But Metro is still too messy and sloppy, no rhyme or reason to the tiles, they need to improve that, and color scheme the tile clusters to different themes for easier browsing. Right now, it feels like an assault on my eyes...
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Another vote for Start8 here.
The thing that annoys me the most with windows 8 is the apps.
Don't misunderstand I love the ifkam on a tablet... it makes sense... I love it on my hdtv... crisp large very browsable with a remote control... but on a desktop...
why is there no windowed mode on every app on an operating system called windows?
They should call it Fullscreen 8 when it comes to those apps.
I'm baffled with the lack of reasoning. |
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Did anyone mention RetroUI,....?
RetroUI apparently also allows Metro / New UI apps to run windowed and sizable on the Windows 8 desktop,....
»retroui.com/
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I'm also one that doesn't have a problem running Windows 8 Pro without any modification. |
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said by Kerodo:I realize that we just disagree here, but all I would say is, just take a poll and ask users everywhere if they do or don't like 8. I would be willing to bet that the vast majority DON'T like it... Poll results are in. Sales of Win8 are actually trailing sales of Vista by a significant margin:
»www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-w···0012104/ |
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