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Re: CIPPIC has been granted Intervenor Status

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Re: CIPPIC has been granted Intervenor Status

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reply to Perma
The CIPPIC has been granted full intervenor status is because no one else is stepping up to the plate that should be. That's quite clear in the judges order on this:

UPON considering the motion record of CIPPIC, the responding motion record of the Plaintiff, and the reply of the CIPPIC, and noting that the Respondent TekSavvy Solutions Inc. has not taken a position on this motion.

CONSIDERING that the issues raised on the Plaintiff's motion, if determined without opposition, will not likely be contested or revisited by the Court at the request of the newly identified and served Defendants, since, by then, their identity will have been communicated to the Plaintiff and the issue might be moot.

Howard Knopf is a "I know better, I know it all" person. I do not have any confidence in this type of people.

And it is easy for Distributel to oppose now, AFTER Teksavvy stepped in and some things are more clear AFTER Distributel fails to do so in November ...

Just saying it is not all black and white ... So far Teksavvy did the part they suppose to do!

First the order did not come from a judge, but a court prothonotary. Second you are reading things into the order that are not there. There is nothing there that says these issues should have been raised by TSI. As has been stated, TSI is potentially in a position of aiding and abetting these copyright violations. They could well have been threatened with a suit if they didn't take a neutral stance - we just don't know.

This is not really Copyright Holder vs John and Jane Doe at this stage, it's a petition of Copyright Holder vs the Crown, therefore it should be the crown seeking expert witnesses and asking questions. In this case, as an intervenor, CIPPIC will essentially be the crown's expert witnesses. TSI plays a side role in this.

It's not up to TSI to protect your privacy rights, it's up to the Crown. They set the rules, now it's up to them to enforce them.

I forgot about the Crown on my posts. My stance who protects privacy rights is much like your sbrook. But we'll slandered for it unfortunately. Like environmentalists that shove their green energy agendas in your face.

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Happy Valentine's Day indeed!

Looks like Voltage is in for an interesting and expensive time.

I would urge everyone to donate to CIPPIC to help them offset the costs of this action. All persons interested in preserving and strengthening an open internet, especially a wireless one, should considered giving. Those that have been notified about downloading should view CIPPIC as their best hope to escape the clutches of copyright trolls such as Voltage.

Although I was not notified, I am more concerned about all those innocent persons who will be caught up in this mess if Voltage succeeds. The basis of Wifi is threatened by these trolls, given the general population's lack of knowledge about proper security.

Thanks again to CIPPIC!

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Constructive criticism should always be welcomed. I too believe this has to play itself out, however it is also important to re-enforce what consumers rights are and the roles and responsibilities ISPs have under law regarding your personal information throughout this process going forward. That's very important, not just from a copyright point of view, but from how your online data is used online as well.

I'm looking on this with a different set of eyes then most. There's a lot of abuse of privacy when it comes to your online data.

We have laws in place to help curb abuse. That legal responsibly falls with companies that hold our private information to ensure requests are within legal standard and merit. If private companies don't start doing their part for whatever reason, than this system of accountability and oversight doesn't work, and your online data could be used for pretty much anything, by anyone. That's the threat here.
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I don't think the prothonotary would have been raising the issues of the "IP address does not equal a person" issue.

That is the key to this case and it seems only CIPPIC is interested is bringing it up. As for other potential judicial hazards, there is less to fear than just rolling over and handing Voltage a list of subscriber's names. Of course, there is no guarantee what direction this will go. This action, IMHO, will make history and help set case law.

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Openmedia is a pro privacy non lucrative organisation. This can just mean more troubles for Voltage. They are part of the reason Bill-C30 didn't go thru. This is indeed good news.
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reply to jkoblovsky
The online data that needs protection is far more than simply the name associated with the account that was online at time X on date X.

What matters in this case is verification that someone on a system assigned to IP x at a date and time did in fact violate copyright law and whether the person who supposedly violate copyright was assigned IP x, otherwise the court is potentially ordering the release of a name (I can get anyone's name from a phone book and after all there's no real difference between an IP and a phone number) but in doing so the court may be subjecting them to nothing short of persecution by false suit.

And of course the risk of further persecution and further false suits.

So this is not really about data protection it's all about risk of persecution by releasing names and that is the court's job.

I Am Glad someone is standing up for teksavvys customers.. Shame its not teksavvy thou. Does Cippic run a Isp by chance?
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