 TSI MarcPremium,VIP
join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON
kudos:14 | reply to mlord
Re: All This UBB , Usage based BS was such a waste said by mlord:said by TSI Marc:Well, there's only one place it can go... Down. The question is by how much. But since the decision was made before the recent re-introductions of "unlimited internet" from B/R, the decision itself probably doesn't take that evidence into account. Time to file another complaint/appeal/whatever, pronto! Maybe.. It would be really difficult I'd say. I really hope the CRTC gets it right this time around. It's like 5 years in the making...
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 GonePremium
join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
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said by LastDon:CRTC became useless to believe those lies. Actually, I think we can all learn a very valuable lesson from this.
The CRTC is - I hate to say this - important. That is, when they're doing their job. The CRTC under KvF let the incumbents literally do whatever the fuck they wanted and rubber stamped everything.
The CRTC under JPB has been a completely different animal. Bell buying Astral? No! Rogers requesting arbitrary simsubs? No! The CRTC has even taken an active role in consumer protection for cell phone subscribers. They're now requiring full costing for tariff applications. The list goes on and on and on.
So really guys, as much as we all bitched about the CRTC, they have turned into our... friends... in this whole issue (I think I threw up a bit in my mouth saying that).
If the CRTC was still the same captured regulatory body that it was under KvF, *none* of what is going on now would be going on. |
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TSI MarcPremium,VIP
join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON
kudos:14 | We're sure due that's for sure...
I'll reserve my judgement for next week. I really do want to believe it too though.
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GonePremium
join:2011-01-24
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| said by TSI Marc:I'll reserve my judgement for next week. I really do want to believe it too though. I have a friend who follows the CRTC closely, but on the broadcasting side of things. He said the change in their attitude since JPB has come to the chair has been stunning and such a polar shift that it's like nothing he has ever seen.
I'm not ready to start singing their praises just yet, but so far they have been moving in a direction that makes me quite optimistic about what things will be like in the future. |
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said by Gone:So really guys, as much as we all bitched about the CRTC, they have turned into our... friends... in this whole issue (I think I threw up a bit in my mouth saying that).
I threw up a little bit in your mouth too after reading that.
But yeah, there have been changes. But after 5 years of total insanity I still don't trust them. They would have to replace every commissioner for me. Keep in mind the commissioners were out of whack with reality as well. Not just KvF.
Sorry for barfing in your mouth... |
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TSI MarcPremium,VIP
join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON
kudos:14 | reply to Gone
Nice. That's reassuring to hear.
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 andybPremium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
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said by TSI Marc:You mean if its enough to make the higher DSL speeds attractive?
No I want cable but you dont serve here and bell only offers "upto" 15mb here.Not paying 100 install fee for upto 15mb.I'm waiting for Agg TPIA with good rates |
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TSI MarcPremium,VIP
join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON
kudos:14 | said by andyb:said by TSI Marc:You mean if its enough to make the higher DSL speeds attractive?
No I want cable but you dont serve here and bell only offers "upto" 15mb here.Not paying 100 install fee for upto 15mb.I'm waiting for Agg TPIA with good rates Ah. I see what you mean. The rest of the footprint we should have very soon.. Hang in there dude.
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 elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
join:2006-08-30
HarperLand
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said by TSI Marc:Not much we can do about their retal offerings... Earlier this year bell started totally undercutting us on business DSL. Their retail was lower than our costs.
I'm totally with you. My blood just boils when I think of all the shit we've been put through.
That's predatory pricing, regulatory issues aside, that's illegal Air Canada has been bitchslapped a few times because of that.
Send this to your lawyers
Section 78(1)(i) of the Competition Act prohibits companies from the selling products at unreasonably low prices which is either designed to facilitate, or has the effect of, eliminating competition or a competitor.
Now if that doesn't sound like what Bell is doing, tell me what is?
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kudos:14 | That does sound like a bitchslap waitin' to happen.
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join:2004-05-02
Portage La Prairie, MB | reply to LastDon
Unfortunately, it has to be proven. The incumbents are master at smoke and mirrors. |
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| said by mazhurg:Unfortunately, it has to be proven. The incumbents are master at smoke and mirrors.
congestion was never proven ###### that is all that was proven.
with these things it seems nothing has to be proven, just a slight advertising or thought will be enough to get the ball rolling. |
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The new unlimited plans from Bell, Rogers and Videotron say 1 thing loud and clear:
You can have unlimited, our network can handle it, just give us "our cut" (Basic TV package is basically forced on) |
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resa1983Premium
join:2008-03-10
North York, ON
kudos:7 Reviews:
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So we know that bell got word first, got scared shitless at their plummeting numbers for gas, hense offering unlimited.
Also sounds like the people at rogers got their information late, and scrambled to match bells unlimited. Rogers told videotron, and that's why they've introduced unlimited..
All in all, it sound like the CRTC caught the deliberate padding by the incumbents. The question is, how systemic was it, and will the CRTC make these numbers retroactive to punish incumbents.
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resa1983Premium
join:2008-03-10
North York, ON
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said by LastDon:said by mazhurg:Unfortunately, it has to be proven. The incumbents are master at smoke and mirrors.
congestion was never proven ###### that is all that was proven. with these things it seems nothing has to be proven, just a slight advertising or thought will be enough to get the ball rolling. They managed to prove congestion... Only took 1 speed increase with no network investment for a year on rogers.
Also might I add that rogers changed their format for their financial statements. You cannot tell how much of cables ' additions' are customer equipment, network upgrades, our costs for new service areas as of this latest quarter. I was bashing them hard on their 14 million upgrades in a single quarter, vs shaws 100 million+.
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mazhurgPremium
join:2004-05-02
Portage La Prairie, MB | reply to Cloneman
said by Cloneman:The new unlimited plans from Bell, Rogers and Videotron say 1 thing loud and clear:
You can have unlimited, our network can handle it, just give us "our cut" (Basic TV package is basically forced on)
Over yonder this way, MTS always had the tv service as a requirement for more than 12/1. 80$ for the TV, and 60$ for the net.
At least it's unlimited.
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said by resa1983:So we know that bell got word first, got scared shitless at their plummeting numbers for gas, hense offering unlimited. Pretty much what I said the first day they offered it. After being with Teksavvy and then ElectonicBox and then being forced to Bell internet for FibeTV I am still happy regardless.
I'll always root for the iisp, but at least I dont have to f-ing worry about caps... |
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GonePremium
join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
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said by andyb:and bell only offers "upto" 15mb here. Pfft, luxury! I wish I could get 15Mbit DSL. The best I can do here is 6 and that is the best that I see us getting for the foreseeable future. |
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elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
join:2006-08-30
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said by mazhurg:Unfortunately, it has to be proven. The incumbents are master at smoke and mirrors.
The funny part is there is no smoke and mirrors here.
If Marc pays $x for a business DSL and Bell is selling for $x-y, which is less then Marc pays Bell under the tariff, that's predatory pricing.
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said by TSI Marc:Not much we can do about their retal offerings... Earlier this year bell started totally undercutting us on business DSL. Their retail was lower than our costs.
I'm totally with you. My blood just boils when I think of all the shit we've been put through.
CNOC sues the government for $9B, buys own fleet of F-35's to deal with incumbents. |
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