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Guspaz
Guspaz
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reply to d4m1r

Re: Major CRTC decision next week. - CBB

said by d4m1r:

Even if I could get 50/10 or whatever through DSL today, I wouldn't switch away from cable.

Sorry to be so blunt but the CRTC should have taken this into account, forgotten about DSL, and solely focused on making faster cable packages available to everyone and for a decent price, with very high usage caps (if not unlimited).

Sorry, I'd take 50/10 DSL over 60/3 cable any day of the week.
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hm

@videotron.ca

said by Guspaz:

Sorry, I'd take 50/10 DSL over 60/3 cable any day of the week.

That 3-meg upload is changing to 10-meg in April. Is it not?

mikee

join:2012-12-21
Gloucester, ON

I thought that will be for videotron people only.


resa1983
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said by mikee:

I thought that will be for videotron people only.

Whatever Videotron does for their own customers, has to be matched for wholesale.
It may be a price increase though. Who knows.

Hense why Rogers is in shit right now. They didn't offer TPIA 45/7, and CRTC is now asking questions:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2013/2013-80.htm
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hm

@videotron.ca
reply to mikee

said by mikee:

I thought that will be for videotron people only.

Yes, which is where the person I replied to resides.

InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
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reply to Guspaz

said by Guspaz:

Sorry, I'd take 50/10 DSL over 60/3 cable any day of the week.

If what was announced in Videotron's forum is real, all TGV tiers are getting bumped to 10Mbps upload in April.

ruiner

join:2012-03-10
Canada
reply to MaynardKrebs

said by MaynardKrebs:

said by ruiner:

What I'd like to see, and what would really help DSL sales, is having the dry loop fees abolished. You don't have to pay a separate fee on coax connections.

Nor do you get a dry-loop fee when you order from Bell.

Neither does Telus. So what gives CRTC?

kabes

join:2010-05-14
Kitchener, ON
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reply to TSI Marc

I just looked and apparently 25/10 is available in my postal code now. Last time I looked I couldn't get anything past 10/1 for DSL.

I have 28/1 now but it sounds like this decision doesn't bode well for Rogers TPIA? Will there be price hikes or cap reductions?

Maybe I'll have to go back to DSL...at least it's an option for me now.


DanteX

join:2010-09-09
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reply to TSI Marc

I am curious how this will play out for dsl services out west in the richmond vancouver area as I am interested in ditching my Telus 25 contract and possible either get 25 unlimited or 50 unlimited with TSI


InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
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reply to resa1983

said by resa1983:

Hense why Rogers is in shit right now. They didn't offer TPIA 45/7, and CRTC is now asking questions:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2013/2013-80.htm

Is that 7Mbps on Rogers actually an "option"? There is no mention of it anywhere on Rogers' plan description so I would be inclined to believe the 7Mbps is simply something Rogers is starting to roll out and will eventually become standard but isn't quite official yet.

The optional upload speed thing is more about Bell's 15/1 vs 15/10 where they charged $4 extra, making 15/10 more expensive than 25/10 and 50/10 which makes no sense and is the reason nobody ever offered it.

resa1983
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said by InvalidError:

said by resa1983:

Hense why Rogers is in shit right now. They didn't offer TPIA 45/7, and CRTC is now asking questions:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2013/2013-80.htm

Is that 7Mbps on Rogers actually an "option"? There is no mention of it anywhere on Rogers' plan description so I would be inclined to believe the 7Mbps is simply something Rogers is starting to roll out and will eventually become standard but isn't quite official yet.

The optional upload speed thing is more about Bell's 15/1 vs 15/10 where they charged $4 extra, making 15/10 more expensive than 25/10 and 50/10 which makes no sense and is the reason nobody ever offered it.

Yes, 7mbps upload on Rogers is an option, and has been since 2011.

10mbps upload option on Bell is only available in certain areas, but they still filed it.

Rogers couldn't be even bothered to do that, despite offering it to new customers, and giving it to those who asked.

From my last submission:
»Re: Rogers Upstream Bonding
»Re: Rogers Upstream Bonding
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andyb
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reply to morisato

said by morisato:

well given bell charges a 1 time rental fee of 100 bucks for them to its own customers, i imagine it will be at least that much to acquire modems from them

Thats just Bell grabbing money.Nothing to with actual cost.They charge 150 if you dont return the old speedstream modems that are worth about 20


Guspaz
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reply to InvalidError

said by InvalidError:

If what was announced in Videotron's forum is real, all TGV tiers are getting bumped to 10Mbps upload in April.

That's surprising, since Videotron doesn't support upstream bonding, although perhaps that's changing in April. It's too bad, I'd consider taking 60/10 cable over 50/10 DSL, but with the CBB rates the CRTC just set, cable will never be competitive with DSL.
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InvalidError

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reply to resa1983

said by resa1983:

10mbps upload option on Bell is only available in certain areas, but they still filed it.

The "option" requires VDSL2 and Bell was required to file tariffs for VDSL2 access so the 10Mbps option (7Mbps at the time) is available wherever VDSL2 is.

However, the "option" makes 15/10 more expensive than 25/10 wholesale so what few ISPs ever offered it quickly scrapped it since it made no sense.

said by resa1983:

Rogers couldn't be even bothered to do that, despite offering it to new customers, and giving it to those who asked.

The threads you linked very much say the 7Mbps was a progressive roll-out, not an option.

InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
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reply to Guspaz

said by Guspaz:

That's surprising, since Videotron doesn't support upstream bonding, although perhaps that's changing in April. It's too bad, I'd consider taking 60/10 cable over 50/10 DSL, but with the CBB rates the CRTC just set, cable will never be competitive with DSL.

Quite puzzling that they haven't enabled bonding yet. They certainly have all the equipment so support should be little more than a few administrative commands away to enable it on their CMTS.

As for CBB rates, cable certainly lost a lot of its potential appeal there. Only time will tell how that shakes out.

resa1983
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reply to InvalidError

said by InvalidError:

said by resa1983:

10mbps upload option on Bell is only available in certain areas, but they still filed it.

The "option" requires VDSL2 and Bell was required to file tariffs for VDSL2 access so the 10Mbps option (7Mbps at the time) is available wherever VDSL2 is.

However, the "option" makes 15/10 more expensive than 25/10 wholesale so what few ISPs ever offered it quickly scrapped it since it made no sense.

said by resa1983:

Rogers couldn't be even bothered to do that, despite offering it to new customers, and giving it to those who asked.

The threads you linked very much say the 7Mbps was a progressive roll-out, not an option.

150/10 is also a progressive roll-out on Rogers I do believe, but they still filed tariffs for it.
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InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
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reply to andyb

said by andyb:

Thats just Bell grabbing money.Nothing to with actual cost.

What is the cheapest legit retail non-used VDSL2 modem you can find? They are rather hard to find and those I have found are in the $150-200 range.


hm

@videotron.ca
reply to InvalidError

said by InvalidError:

If what was announced in Videotron's forum is real,

Yes, they made a press release.
Among other things, an itsy bitsy teenie tiny increase in usage (or the unlimited option), upload increased to 10-meg, business internet no longer with caps, unlimited (again).

See this bottom of this:
»www.montrealgazette.com/business···ory.html


random

@teksavvy.com
reply to kabes

>I have 28/1 now but it sounds like this decision doesn't bode well for Rogers TPIA?

There is always the option of dropping down 1 tier when your area moves to aggregated service and receive the new speed upgrade as a result.

28Mbps/1Mbps upgrades to 35Mbps/3Mbps
18Mbps/0.5Mbps upgrades to 25Mbps/2Mbps.

Very likely TSI will be raising their fees increase with the speed upgrade. So a drop down to 25/2 when it becomes available might be reasonable way of reducing the impact.


ruiner

join:2012-03-10
Canada
reply to InvalidError

said by InvalidError:

said by andyb:

Thats just Bell grabbing money.Nothing to with actual cost.

What is the cheapest legit retail non-used VDSL2 modem you can find? They are rather hard to find and those I have found are in the $150-200 range.

Zyxel VSG1432 for $126. Bridgeable but I'm sure they charge $20 - $30 extra for the $0.50 in parts and enabling iptables.

»www.frontierpc.com/wireless-netw···033.html

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to InvalidError

said by InvalidError:

while the cost of node splitting on coax is driven and borne almost entirely by internet service. Cablecos can even blame internet traffic for the need to invest in converting some channels to SDV to free up QAMs - cablecos need to be compensated for the opportunity cost of allocating more QAMs to internet traffic.

AFAIK with Rogers moving towards IPTV that is shifting as that traffic will go over their DOCSIS network. The Next Box 2.0 is the first device they have rolled out as part of that long term plan to move towards IPTV all together. Rogers plans to be very aggressive with the migration.

InvalidError

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reply to resa1983

said by resa1983:

150/10 is also a progressive roll-out on Rogers I do believe, but they still filed tariffs for it.

150/10 is a new tier advertised in size 80 font in their service description pages, which makes it pretty official and rather hard to miss, unlike the 7Mbps speed bump offered on a need-to-ask basis.

With the CRTC's request to file tariffs including upload speeds, you'll know soon enough whether Rogers decides to make it an official speed bump or make it a premium wholesale option.

InvalidError

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reply to 34764170

said by 34764170:

as part of that long term plan to move towards IPTV all together. Rogers plans to be very aggressive with the migration.

"Very aggressive long-term plan" so that would mean 5+ more years of supporting a substantial installed base of conventional STBs before they start becoming actually aggressive about migrating mainstream channels to IPTV.

resa1983
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reply to InvalidError

said by InvalidError:

said by resa1983:

150/10 is also a progressive roll-out on Rogers I do believe, but they still filed tariffs for it.

150/10 is a new tier advertised in size 80 font in their service description pages, which makes it pretty official and rather hard to miss, unlike the 7Mbps speed bump offered on a need-to-ask basis.

With the CRTC's request to file tariffs including upload speeds, you'll know soon enough whether Rogers decides to make it an official speed bump or make it a premium wholesale option.

They were bumping people to it without them even asking in 2011.. Thats the main reason I think it's unfair.
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Gami00

join:2010-03-11
Mississauga, ON

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reply to InvalidError

said by InvalidError:

said by 34764170:

as part of that long term plan to move towards IPTV all together. Rogers plans to be very aggressive with the migration.

"Very aggressive long-term plan" so that would mean 5+ more years of supporting a substantial installed base of conventional STBs before they start becoming actually aggressive about migrating mainstream channels to IPTV.

it'll probably just as quick and aggressive as their IPv6 migration. It's already in stage 2. Stage one was that whole ipv6.rogers.ca webpage they made.

MaynardKrebs
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reply to resa1983

said by resa1983:

said by InvalidError:

said by resa1983:

Hense why Rogers is in shit right now. They didn't offer TPIA 45/7, and CRTC is now asking questions:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2013/2013-80.htm

Is that 7Mbps on Rogers actually an "option"? There is no mention of it anywhere on Rogers' plan description so I would be inclined to believe the 7Mbps is simply something Rogers is starting to roll out and will eventually become standard but isn't quite official yet.

The optional upload speed thing is more about Bell's 15/1 vs 15/10 where they charged $4 extra, making 15/10 more expensive than 25/10 and 50/10 which makes no sense and is the reason nobody ever offered it.

Yes, 7mbps upload on Rogers is an option, and has been since 2011.

10mbps upload option on Bell is only available in certain areas, but they still filed it.

Rogers couldn't be even bothered to do that, despite offering it to new customers, and giving it to those who asked.

From my last submission:
»Re: Rogers Upstream Bonding
»Re: Rogers Upstream Bonding

SSDD - and that ain't Solid State Disk Drive.

So Rogers doesn't give TPIA the same speeds for a long time. Big deal. Now it's back in the indie court to spend money on lawyers to file & re-file & re-file documents and submissions to the CRTC - burning a big hole in their pockets with legal fees up the wazoo. Rogers doesn't give a flying f!ck. The CRTC has no teeth. And so it'll take another 6-12 months to get this shite resolved, and Rogers continues to have a competitive advantage.

It's just one regular, my friends..... another day in the life of incumbents and the impotent CRTC.

resa1983
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reply to TSI Marc

Oh well. I have no problem filing something, saving indies time & money. :P
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34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to InvalidError

said by InvalidError:

said by 34764170:

as part of that long term plan to move towards IPTV all together. Rogers plans to be very aggressive with the migration.

"Very aggressive long-term plan" so that would mean 5+ more years of supporting a substantial installed base of conventional STBs before they start becoming actually aggressive about migrating mainstream channels to IPTV.

Still doesn't change the fact that increasing IPTV traffic will provide additional incentive to do further node splitting and upgrades to the nodes. Who knows what their plan is for eliminating digital cable but I could see them adding IPTV fairly quickly. From what I read their plan for roll out is over a 2 year period.

InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
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said by 34764170:

Still doesn't change the fact that increasing IPTV traffic will provide additional incentive to do further node splitting and upgrades to the nodes.

Not necessarily. I would argue that the very reason why they are interested in going SDV/IPTV is to avoid exactly that.

With SDV/IPTV, you can cram many more channels per MHz since you aren't wasting spectrum on channels nobody is watching (your grid has over 300 channels but nodes only have 100-150 subscribers each who are likely watching (much) fewer than 100 unique channels collectively) which leaves more room for more data QAMs so no need to split the nodes any further.

If they converted all digital and analog TV spectrum to SDV/IPTV, cablecos would end up with over 400MHz of unused spectrum and need to fill that up. Easiest way to do that while cutting costs would actually be node merges.


andyb
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reply to InvalidError

A post just below yours has one,and I have seen them on ebay for about 50.Used from 10