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Re: Major CRTC decision next week. - CBB If cable rates do go an extraordinary amount I'll just wait out the transition to APOI at the higher rather on my 28/1 account and then downgrade to 25/2 when APOI is live. I'll get all the download speed I could ever care for and more upload which is what I actually want. Hopefully this reduction in the package will compensate for whatever increase we have coming with the new CBB pricing. |
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How long before they are all in front of the CRTC again?
As speeds rise the situation becomes unsupportable.
Soon the incumbents will be able to offer speeds that the independents can't because they won't be able to afford the traffic that comes with them
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North York, ON | @Gruesome I think you are right. This will have to be fought by CNOC and IISPs again in a couple years. |
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 AkFubarAdmittedly, A Teksavvy Fan
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Perhaps at that time they will nationalize the incumbent's network so that all ISP can use use it. It is possible that it could be purchased by the gov enhanced and shared out.
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| said by AkFubar:Perhaps at that time they will nationalize the incumbent's network so that all ISP can use use it. It is possible that it could be purchased by the gov enhanced and shared out.
The only thing worse than Bell and Rogers running the last-mile network would be the government running it. |
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| said by The Mongoose:said by AkFubar:Perhaps at that time they will nationalize the incumbent's network so that all ISP can use use it. It is possible that it could be purchased by the gov enhanced and shared out.
The only thing worse than Bell and Rogers running the last-mile network would be the government running it. I disagree a little.. I think local government (city, town etc) could install dark fibre to each lot as they do for water and sewage hookups. It's something that I feel really would level the playing field. It also would allow each provider to run their own last mile. |
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| said by koreyb:I disagree a little.. I think local government (city, town etc) could install dark fibre to each lot as they do for water and sewage hookups. It's something that I feel really would level the playing field. It also would allow each provider to run their own last mile.
I love the idea in theory. In practice, I fear corrupt and incompetent governments would screw it up through bad contracting practices and mismanagement. You could wind up with a very expensive and unreliable network maintained entirely by unionized government workers. Governments simply can't be trusted not to try to gain political leverage from something like that. |
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With the current Guv of ON dumping/selling resources to create quick cash to pay off provincial debt, it's highly doubtful they would buy anything, especially something that will require a lot of money for constant upgrades. |
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Well i don't entirely agree that nationalization would be a problem a change in gov, the correct "arms length" agency with the proper planning and input could make it a possible solution. I agree the current system is unsupportable in the longer term, pretty well the only way to do it will be an industry shared network. Nationalization is ONE option.
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said by AkFubar:Perhaps at that time they will nationalize the incumbent's network so that all ISP can use use it. It is possible that it could be purchased by the gov enhanced and shared out.
Be careful what you wish for. Government should regulate things, not own them. Government owns highways. Government owns Canada Post. Are you happy with how these services work? Are you happy with all the innovation happening there? |
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| said by tom_tom:said by AkFubar:Perhaps at that time they will nationalize the incumbent's network so that all ISP can use use it. It is possible that it could be purchased by the gov enhanced and shared out.
Be careful what you wish for. Government should regulate things, not own them. Government owns highways. Government owns Canada Post. Are you happy with how these services work? Are you happy with all the innovation happening there? And your solution to this issue would be....
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said by AkFubar:Well i don't entirely agree that nationalization would be a problem a change in gov, the correct "arms length" agency with the proper planning and input could make it a possible solution. Can you give us one example when that worked fine in the long-term? |
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| We now live in a world of firsts. There is nothing to say that it could not work under the proper conditions. This is all hypothetical stuff as I said it is one option. If your gonna dream outside the box go all the way out and throw it out there.
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said by AkFubar:And your solution to this issue would be....
The current situation in Canada wouldn't be bad if CRTC had teeth. Had their decision last week been what we have expected, we would have a pretty good situation now in Canada. We lost the opportunity here, but we might have another one in a year or two. Look how Rogers and Bell reacted when they got scared of CRTC - they offered unlimited packages! So that means they can offer good packages and still turn profit. And that means this is the best way to go in Canada - through government regulation.
This is the model that works well in Europe. |
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Might be but you still use the incumbents network at their pleasure. The unsustainable part is not the regulation but the fact that indie ISPs lack the $ to have their own last mile. Go back every 2 years for a new reading is ridiculous after a while. Every 2 years because the incumbents will not share willingly when the market changes.
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said by tom_tom:said by AkFubar:And your solution to this issue would be....
The current situation in Canada wouldn't be bad if CRTC had teeth. Had their decision last week been what we have expected, we would have a pretty good situation now in Canada. We lost the opportunity here, but we might have another one in a year or two. Look how Rogers and Bell reacted when they got scared of CRTC - they offered unlimited packages! So that means they can offer good packages and still turn profit. And that means this is the best way to go in Canada - through government regulation. This is the model that works well in Europe. It would be nice to have a CRTC made up of Information specialist and impartial technocrats with knowledge & experience running the various segments addressed by the CRTC without a vertically integrated incumbent or special interest incumbent sponsored lobbygroup involvement. Yes. Will we ever see that in our lifetimes, the magic 8 ball says NO.
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said by tom_tom:said by AkFubar:Perhaps at that time they will nationalize the incumbent's network so that all ISP can use use it. It is possible that it could be purchased by the gov enhanced and shared out.
Be careful what you wish for. Government should regulate things, not own them. Government owns highways. Government owns Canada Post. Are you happy with how these services work? Are you happy with all the innovation happening there? Yes I am actually. Are there problems with either of those that we are not aware of?
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| said by d4m1r:Yes I am actually. Are there problems with either of those that we are not aware of?
Are you kidding me? Have you tried to use any of the freeways in Toronto? Terrible traffic everywhere. Can't get anywhere on time, because of the congestion. Do you want to have that kind of situation with your Internet connection?
Canada Post? Every year higher prices, with service being worse and worse. Communal "super" boxes instead of door-to-door delivery, no delivery on Tuesdays and Thursdays in many communities. Putting tons of spam in your mailbox. Do you want your Internet infrastructure to managed by this kind of people?
The way I see the situation when government owns Internet infrastructure is rising prices, with lower speeds and higher latencies as a result of not upgrading infrastructure to keep up with demand. They would probably agree that something like 5 Mbps is a minimum they need to provide, and they wouldn't have any incentive to provide anything more than that. Yes, you would have a guaranteed access to that 5Mpbs, but probably nothing else above that. And just imagine all those unions cutting your Internet for a week or two to force salary increases.... I'm pretty sure it would be much worse than having Rogers or Bell manage their networks. |
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