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Guspaz
Guspaz
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
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reply to iconfat

Re: Activation fee for speed increase

Bell's claim is that the line conditioning is required to move to VDSL2.
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InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5
reply to Cloneman

said by Cloneman:

it's purely anti competitive. it probably does legitimately cost 100$ for bell to send someone, so they break even

Before the current $95 fee, Bell was saying VDSL2 installations actually cost them over $200. The reason it is "only" $95 now is that due to complaints against their former $200+ only-when-needed fee (both the fee itself and definition/reasons why it may be needed) and having to keep track of that, they decided to go with an ALWAYS-$95 fee.

In other words, people who do not need tech visits are subsidizing people who may have special circumstances and complications where the tech visit(s) may cost over $300.


hm

@videotron.ca
reply to Guspaz

said by Guspaz:

Bell's claim is that the line conditioning is required to move to VDSL2.

From legacy. No?

A switch from ADSL2 to VDSL shouldn't require a full because the person on ADSL2 (or fibe) already paid the "conditioning" fee (plus pots splitter +, +,...).


Guspaz
Guspaz
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said by hm :

From legacy. No?

A switch from ADSL2 to VDSL shouldn't require a full because the person on ADSL2 (or fibe) already paid the "conditioning" fee (plus pots splitter +, +,...).

Bell specifically argues in their filing that conditioning is required when moving from ADSL2+ to VDSL2.
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hm

@videotron.ca

said by Guspaz:

said by hm :

From legacy. No?

A switch from ADSL2 to VDSL shouldn't require a full because the person on ADSL2 (or fibe) already paid the "conditioning" fee (plus pots splitter +, +,...).

Bell specifically argues in their filing that conditioning is required when moving from ADSL2+ to VDSL2.

If so, then JF is right in his counter-beef he filed.

Conditioning, as filed, was to remove bridge taps and whatever else. Someone on ADSL2 has already paid that.

So Bell is double-dipping.

I hope JF re-files. He seems to be the only one on the ball.


ts5mbit4life

@teksavvy.com
reply to Guspaz

said by Guspaz:

Bell's reply to JF clarifies this. Going from ADSL2+ to VDSL2 will require the full fee because a technician visit is considered required by Bell. Going from VDSL2 (moving between 15/10, 25/10, and 50/10) will only require the $25 speed change fee.

What is the actually speed limit for ADSL2+? Is that the 5mb (supposed to be 6) offered to GAS customers or is there a higher speed available for non VDSL?


TypeS

join:2012-12-17
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said by ts5mbit4life :

What is the actually speed limit for ADSL2+? Is that the 5mb (supposed to be 6) offered to GAS customers or is there a higher speed available for non VDSL?

ADS2+'s theoretical limit is 24Mb/s downstream and 1.4Mb/s upstream (which is why upload speed had stayed at 800kB/s to 1Mb/s for so long). And those caps are based on the best distance from the DSLAM, the further you go, the worse the speed gets.

This is why Bell and every other DSL ISP has been rolling out FTTN & VDSL2. Bell's been doing it at a pretty slow pace though, since so many people still can only get 6Mbps down in so many places in Ontario.