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praetoralpha

join:2005-08-06
Pittsburgh, PA

Value?

I've upgraded from 25/25 for $70 to 50/25 for $80 back in July. Though 25/25 was fine (as far as downloads), with the inability to stream Youtube at 1080p even 10% of the time, I'm seriously questioning whether 50/25 is good value or not.


PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
I'd point more to a crappy CDN than I would a last mile connection when it comes to the stability of YouTube's streaming capabilities (or the lack thereof), especially with 720p and 1080p content.

noclip

join:2004-04-20
Fairfax, VA
reply to praetoralpha
Agreed on the bad youtube connection. I can hit 10MB/sec constantly on my 75/35 with usenet, but sometimes I even have trouble streaming the 240p with nothing else downloading! I have to resort to using multi-threaded flash video downloaders to even hit 1MB/sec.


cableties
Premium
join:2005-01-27
reply to PapaMidnight
I don't think the 50/25 will fix the YouTube issue. I am having issues with lag on Youtube vids within Xbox Live. It is a joke. Video plays for 5 secs then for almost a minute, spinning (what is that, discs?). And Xbox Live changed channels (Comedy is gone) in YouTube so you have to have You Tube account and customize. Eff that.
CDN (folks running traceroutes on ATT Uverse, and rogers, and Comcast are showing drops somewhere down the line...).

Call me conspiracy theorist but I wouldn't put it past "carriers" that have "content" to throttle You tube somehow (or so many are watching YouTube that "it" needs serious bump in delivery ...

"Ya broke me pipes!"
--
Splat


codyyy

@embarqhsd.net
reply to praetoralpha
its not your internets problem with slow youtube streams its youtube them self, there either throttling everyone or just suffering peak hours i only notice slow youtube streams between 5pm and 12am

JBT

join:2002-12-06
Tucson, AZ
reply to cableties
Agreed its not a bandwidth issue from your ISP. Its either carriers throttling or YouTube with load issues.

TechnoGeek

join:2013-01-07
reply to cableties
Have you tried upping the quality you are watching in? When I had those issues (TW, 10/1) sometimes it actually helped to watch in 720p instead of 360p. Makes no sense, but whatever (may have been a firefox issue with saving tabs, which I also fixed recently, or that weird OpenDNS-youtube path issue).

Yeah, it's infuriating to have that much speed and still be unable to watch youtube normally.


Dr Demento
I Vant Blud

join:2002-01-02
Denville, NJ
reply to cableties

said by cableties See ProfileCall me conspiracy theorist but I wouldn't put it past "carriers" that have "content" to throttle You tube somehow (or so many are watching YouTube that "it" needs serious bump in delivery ...

"Ya broke me pipes!"

I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, more like a case of major incompetence when it comes to the way VZ handles their DNS. It is comically sad when a mobile connection can buffer quicker. Many are starting to agree that for optimal use you have to register for an alternative such as OpenDNS or you can just plug right up to Google's public DNS without an account.


silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
DNS has nothing to do with how a video buffers.


tshirt
Premium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:5
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reply to cableties
said by cableties:

Call me conspiracy theorist but I wouldn't put it past "carriers" that have "content" to throttle You tube somehow (or so many are watching YouTube that "it" needs serious bump in delivery ...

"Ya broke me pipes!"

I think the YouTube problem is BECAUSE so many now have access to 25Mbps +++ connections that aggregate total bandwidth can at time overwhelm the CDN's gateway AND servers at times of high demand.
It's not throttling, it's demand exceeding available resources...an exoflood if you like that term


bohratom
Jersey Shore is back again.

join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ
reply to praetoralpha
Considering that Youtube's heavily compressed 1080p streams only eat up around 8mbs of bandwidth you will not see any improvement going from 25 to 50mbs.


PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
reply to silbaco
said by silbaco:

DNS has nothing to do with how a video buffers.

Indeed. Don't get me wrong: I'll plug OpenDNS and Google DNS (or even Level3, though those technically aren't public...) over Comcast's DNS servers all day and night. Still, they have absolutely nothing to do with the situation right now.


PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
reply to bohratom
said by bohratom:

Considering that Youtube's heavily compressed 1080p streams only eat up around 8mbs of bandwidth you will not see any improvement going from 25 to 50mbs.

Considering YouTube doesn't stream and instead actually buffers playback by downloading, this is a moot point. Theoretically, they SHOULD see a significant improvement.

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to tshirt
Yeah, it's peering and bandwidth. I have the same issue on Comcast.


floyd007

join:2004-06-07
Richmond, VA
reply to JBT
it is YouTube. I know people that use FIOS, Comcast and they all have latency issues


bohratom
Jersey Shore is back again.

join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ
reply to PapaMidnight
said by PapaMidnight:

Considering YouTube doesn't stream and instead actually buffers playback by downloading, this is a moot point.

You have no clue how both Google and Akamai peer and provide data do you?

Guess not...