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elizabeth join:2010-07-23	Comcast business is $60 a month Unsubsidized Comcast business is $60 a month. Why does any school or library need a subsidy?
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axus join:2001-06-18 Washington, DC	Well, that's over $10000 for 15 years of service, but not millions!
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morbo Complete Your Transaction join:2002-01-22 00000 Reviews: ·Charter	reply to elizabeth Most schools have hundreds or thousands of computers and users. A basic Comcast business internet account will not support this level of use. We haven't discussed telephone needs... Edit: I do not support the USF or E-Rate programs. I agree that these are slush funds abused by the providers and recipients.
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skeechan Ai Otsukaholic Premium join:2012-01-26 AA169\|170 kudos:2	Perhaps it would if the instructors would stop watching porn and surfing eBay.
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kontos xyzzy join:2001-10-04 West Henrietta, NY	reply to elizabeth said by elizabeth: Unsubsidized Comcast business is $60 a month. Why does any school or library need a subsidy? Because if a school doesn't buy the e-rate product they do have to pay for it themselves. If they go through the e-rate program, they won't have to pay, and the e-rate sales team at the ISP/Telco will help them find the equivalent service which will be billed in the $6000 per month range. So the IT people for the school, look at their cost for simple business class service: ~$700/year or e-rate service: $FREE. Then they go for the cheaper option. Everybody wins. The Gov't/FCC has helped a school get Internet access, the school gets a connection, and the ISP makes a sale. And that's when there isn't even any fraud involved.
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viper3431 join:2003-04-21 STL, MO Reviews: ·Charter	It appears you're not familiar with how e-rate works. The pricing on most dedicated services is driven by a state contract to begin with, so schools already get better than commercial pricing. Then the e-rate discount percentage is based on the population that qualifies for free/reduced lunches. Those with high enough percentages qualify for more + additional funding categories. Rarely does e-rate make a connection outright free. It also covers basic telephone access, cellular, and long distance, not just Internet service.
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kontos xyzzy join:2001-10-04 West Henrietta, NY	said by viper3431: It appears you're not familiar with how e-rate works. Actually I think I am. said by viper3431: The pricing on most dedicated services is driven by a state contract to begin with, so schools already get better than commercial pricing. Yes, they're funneled to the high-cost/high-margin services available on the e-rate contract; even if a simple and cheap solution would be appropriate. This is exactly how you see stories here about small rural schools in WV using e-rate to get a pair of redundant $50k installed. So exactly as I said, you get a really nice and expensive service installed even though a cheaper alternative could have been just as good at solving the problem. said by viper3431: Rarely does e-rate make a connection outright free. It also covers basic telephone access, cellular, and long distance, not just Internet service. In the public sector, getting grant money is seen as a goal on its own. Spending a couple thousand to bring in several thousand in grants is viewed by many even if there are no benefits realized from the grants. The size of the kingdom is still increased.
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pandora Premium join:2001-06-01 Outland kudos:1 Reviews: ·Google Voice ·Comcast ·ooma ·Future Nine Corp..	reply to morbo said by morbo: Most schools have hundreds or thousands of computers and users. A basic Comcast business internet account will not support this level of use. We haven't discussed telephone needs... Edit: I do not support the USF or E-Rate programs. I agree that these are slush funds abused by the providers and recipients. Does anyone have a link to a .gov site which could tell us how many network devices a school has? I have Comcast business and it's pretty decent. If an area doesn't have decent Internet infrastructure, shouldn't we be more concerned with a build out, than to expensive stuff to one or two buildings while the rest of a community has nothing? -- Congress could mess up a one piece jigsaw puzzle.
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viper3431 join:2003-04-21 STL, MO Reviews: ·Charter	reply to kontos Perhaps providers and competition are a little different in NY. In MO there's often not multiple options for dedicated high bandwidth access. If an organization is being steered toward a product they don't need, don't blame the provider. Blame the idiot IT manager for not doing his/her homework and purchasing a product that is unnecessary. The goal of the business is to make money.
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patcat88 join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY kudos:1	said by viper3431: Perhaps providers and competition are a little different in NY. In MO there's often not multiple options for dedicated high bandwidth access. Level 3, Verizon Business/MCI, Cogent, TW Telecom, Windstream, will run metro business fiber anywhere if you sign a contract, plus the local cable co. All them have metro fiber in MO.
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viper3431 join:2003-04-21 STL, MO Reviews: ·Charter	This is getting OT, but I'm aware of all of this, and none of them pass a building I'm familiar with. And yes, I already asked the local cable, 2 area telcos, and Windstream, and they all refused to build to that location because there were no other business opportunities near it. They (recently) all told me they just couldn't make any money off it. Period. Thanks to federal stimulus funding the building will be a Community Anchor and served with 1Gbps service before the year ends for little more than 2 T-1's now.
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WYOIT @bresnan.net	Or you have CenturyLink or Optimun that want several thousand dollars to build out a few hundred feet of fiber... in one case $15,000 for 90 feeet. E-Rate does have some success, but it is still all bureaucratic BS. I know there are a couple progressive states with smart leadership in IT looking to adjust things in that area... time will tell if it will work.
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pandora Premium join:2001-06-01 Outland kudos:1 Reviews: ·Google Voice ·Comcast ·ooma ·Future Nine Corp..	reply to pandora I just went to the article, Cox Cable provides cable and internet in Whiteriver Arizona. The school district that is a "success" per the article about E-Rate fraud. The total IT expenditures reported by the school to the state are $33,000 out of about a 19 million dollar school budget. Why is this "success" being subsidized? The school should contact Cox Cable, and ask about a business rate. -- Congress could mess up a one piece jigsaw puzzle.
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CXM_Splicer Looking at the bigger picture Premium join:2011-08-11 NYC kudos:1 Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS	Is this a public or private school? I would strongly agree that all private schools should be inelligible for these funds... they are businesses after all and SHOULD get business accounts. Public schools, however, are already paid paid for by tax dollars so subsidizing services seems perfectly reasonable to me. The tax is hardly 'outrageous'; mismanaged obviously but the answer to that is to manage it properly, not get rid if it. Cut private school businesses off the corporate welfare teat and the fee will go down considerably. The argument that 'communities should have found a way to make due by now' is ridiculous. That is like saying they should get rid of busses because the kids should have found other ways to get to school by now.
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pandora Premium join:2001-06-01 Outland kudos:1 Reviews: ·Google Voice ·Comcast ·ooma ·Future Nine Corp..	said by CXM_Splicer: Public schools, however, are already paid paid for by tax dollars so subsidizing services seems perfectly reasonable to me. Public schools will make better decisions if they are aware of prices. There have been umpteen stimulus programs, Internet build out programs, and what not over the past few administrations. It's time to stop this boondoggle. I'd like to see both the federal subscriber line charge AND the 911 charge removed from our bills. Local communities can fund their schools, police and fire. They will make better decisions without bureaucrats in the federal government publishing regulations. -- Congress could mess up a one piece jigsaw puzzle.
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skeechan Ai Otsukaholic Premium join:2012-01-26 AA169\|170 kudos:2 Reviews: ·Cox HSI ·Clear Wireless	reply to pandora All public schools are "subsidized". Whether it comes out of the left pocket of the taxpayer (e-rate or whatever) or the right pocket (state and Federal spending) is pretty irrelevant. None of it is the "school's money" and they'll never be careful with it...ever.
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pandora Premium join:2001-06-01 Outland kudos:1 Reviews: ·Google Voice ·Comcast ·ooma ·Future Nine Corp..	said by skeechan: All public schools are "subsidized". Whether it comes out of the left pocket of the taxpayer (e-rate or whatever) or the right pocket (state and Federal spending) is pretty irrelevant. None of it is the "school's money" and they'll never be careful with it...ever. Yup, let it come from the local community. If the federal government wants to give away cash, let it go to the states. If more revenue is needed, add to the income tax. The U.S. phone tax system is ludicrous imo. -- Congress could mess up a one piece jigsaw puzzle.
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CXM_Splicer Looking at the bigger picture Premium join:2011-08-11 NYC kudos:1 Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS	I certainly would welcome the fee being collected at the state level instead if it were used only for schools. Since it is also used for extending broadband into rural areas, collecting it at the federal level is more fair to states with lower populations where the telecom companies discriminate more. If you think your public schools are making poor decisions then run for the local school board. That is what local government is all about. Perhaps you could also volunteer some cost saving measures in their network design.
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skeechan Ai Otsukaholic Premium join:2012-01-26 AA169\|170 kudos:2	reply to pandora Taxes from top to bottom are ludicrous, nearly as ludicrous as the amount of money governments local to Federal spend.
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pandora Premium join:2001-06-01 Outland kudos:1 Reviews: ·Google Voice ·Comcast ·ooma ·Future Nine Corp..	reply to CXM_Splicer said by CXM_Splicer: If you think your public schools are making poor decisions then run for the local school board. That is what local government is all about. Perhaps you could also volunteer some cost saving measures in their network design. School boards have limited power, and I have been providing assistance at my local school for many years. Federal and state regulations are overwhelming. Getting rid of a complex program, and having Congress allocate from tax revenues is simpler, and would likely reduce help reduce opportunity for fraud. -- Congress could mess up a one piece jigsaw puzzle.
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