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trparky
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How long will my (your) SSD last?

How long will my (your) SSD last?

Well, that's a question that a lot of us have on our minds when buying an SSD. There's really no concrete real-world numbers in terms of actual amounts of Terabytes written to the SSD.

Well... the guys over at one of the many hardware enthusiast web sites is putting this to the test, in this case... it's the guys over at TweakTown.

They are testing a Samsung 840 (non-Pro) Series 250 GB SSD from opening the package to SSD death.

Last update they posted indicates that they have written a total of 100 TBs to the drive and it's still chugging along. They will update the article with various milestone updates, the last milestone was 100 TB. They will continue to update the article until the SSD dies. They are using Anvil's Storage Utilities to perform the test.

Samsung 840 SSD Storage Endurance Testing - TLC to the End
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Krisnatharok
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Interesting--I just bought an 840 500GB (non-Pro), so I am curious how long it takes to kill it.



trparky
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Me too. I have the 250 GB version of it, the same one that they are testing in the article.



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Yea, I've got the Samsung 840 500GB non-Pro too. Installed Windows 8 Pro on it in January,....no HDD in the system,..



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said by trparky:

Last update they posted indicates that they have written a total of 100 TBs to the drive and it's still chugging along. They will update the article with various milestone updates, the last milestone was 100 TB. They will continue to update the article until the SSD dies.

Well, already I feel GREAT. I will NEVER, EVER write near 100TB on my SSD. After 8340 power-on hours, I've read 4.4TB and written 896GB (I think ... koitsu ... is my ID 241/F1 and ID 242/F2 RAW DATA read as GB?).
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trparky
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According to CrystalDiskInfo, my SSD has been online for 693 hours and has written 556 GBs.



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I use my work laptop pretty heavily and I'm only up to 1.94 TB after about 14 months.

Intel's documentation for the Intel 320 says it is rated for 20GB per day for the full 5 year warranty. That's about 36TB.

That's probably conservative too, 25nm NAND is supposedly good for 3,000 write cycles. Assuming a write amplification of 1.1 that seems to be about 320TB for my 120GB drive. If it was the 480GB unit that number would be over a PB!

It's not even close to a concern yet unless you are moving crazy amounts of data. Someone who does heavy HD video editing might be able to comment on how long it would take them to write something like 100TB of data.



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I did some fuzzy math here.

My SSD has been online for 694 hours.
694 hours / 24 hours = 28.9166 days

I have written so far 556 GBs to the drive in those 694 hours.

So for the sake of this math, I'm going to say that in the average month I'm going to write about 700 GBs per month.

100 TB = 102,400 GB

102400 GB / 700 GB per month = 146.2857142857143 months (or 146.29 months)

146.29 months / 12 months (1 year) = 12.19 years

So, if an SSD can sustain 100 TB according to the test so far, which we can't say is the limit since the SSD hasn't died yet under TweakTown's test, we can therefore say that an average Samsung 840 Series 250 GB SSD will last anywhere from 10 to 12 years with a sustained write of an average of 700 GBs per month.

Or, if you do an average of 800 GBs per month... that's going to be the following math.

102400 GB / 800 GB per month = 128 months = 10.66 years.

So that means... an average of 9 to 10 years of life.
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I've had my Vertex2 powered on for 13,328 hours (555 days) and done 18.69 TB of reads and 5.00 TB of writes.



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It doesn't need to last forever, just long enough.

How many people are still using a computer, much less a hard drive from 2001-2003?

Even my extreme technophobe grandmother (Who barley uses a computer at all) shed her 1999 HP win98 machine almost 6 years ago.



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What I'm trying to make with my post, and granted, I am probably preaching to the choir here, is that the fears that TLC and cheaper NAND flash in SSDs is really nothing to worry about.

Most SSDs, even the lowly Samsung 840 Series (non-Pro) is going to last the average consumer, even us geeks, longer than we will ever want to keep that SSD around. Chances are, that SSD will end up in the recycling pile in exchange for a higher capacity SSD long before it's dead.
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Note, this is based upon the life of the NAND flash memory itself. This observation does not take into account possible firmware issues that may cause premature SSD death. This is something that can't be predicted.
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Mike
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Corsair Force GT 240.
Firmware 5.02

Power On Hours - 5404
Power On Counts - 53
2.11 TB Read
917 Write.



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Will it just die one day, or what will happen? Symptoms?



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The SSDs I wrecked accumulated bad sectors, so in a real life usage that could've meant some data loss, the exact amount depending on the number of bad sectors and on their location.

In those cases, once the SSDs reached a certain limit, they wouldn't boot any more, Win8 would enter into an infinite repair cycle, etc.
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said by Krisnatharok:

I've had my Vertex2 powered on for 13,328 hours (555 days) and done 18.69 TB of reads and 5.00 TB of writes.

Which gives me more hope on my Vertex2 and more anecdotal evidence against the OCZ nay-sayers.
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rogersfail

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I do some video archiving in my personal time and so far my Ocz vertex 4 has done 4.48 TB in the 93 days ive owned which comes out to around 48 GB/day. So it would take me around 5.7 years to get to the 100 TB mark.



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said by DrModem:

It doesn't need to last forever, just long enough.

How many people are still using a computer, much less a hard drive from 2001-2003?

Even my extreme technophobe grandmother (Who barley uses a computer at all) shed her 1999 HP win98 machine almost 6 years ago.

Pretty sure my current linux box was built around 2003 or so. Same hard drives in it as when it was built.
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said by ImpldConsent:

said by trparky:

Last update they posted indicates that they have written a total of 100 TBs to the drive and it's still chugging along. They will update the article with various milestone updates, the last milestone was 100 TB. They will continue to update the article until the SSD dies.

Well, already I feel GREAT. I will NEVER, EVER write near 100TB on my SSD. After 8340 power-on hours, I've read 4.4TB and written 896GB (I think ... koitsu ... is my ID 241/F1 and ID 242/F2 RAW DATA read as GB?).

It depends on how the vendor chooses to implement storage of the SMART attribute data. For example, on some (not necessarily all) Intel SSDs, attributes 241 and 242 RAW_VALUE columns track the number of 32MBytes (more specifically 32MiBs) read/written. Use smartmontools, it has proper decoding for this. Proof:

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Intel 320 Series SSDs
Device Model:     INTEL SSDSA2CW080G3
...
241 Host_Writes_32MiB       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       42034
242 Host_Reads_32MiB        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       4560
 
So for the above SSD, 42034*32 = 1,345,088 MiBs have been written, and 4560*32 = 145,920 MiBs have been read.

Another example drive, different model, but still Intel:

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Intel 510 Series SSDs
Device Model:     INTEL SSDSC2MH120A2
...
225 Host_Writes_32MiB       0x0030   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       109412
 

(This model does not track reads)

109412*32 = 3,501,184 MiBs, which is correct (using Intel's SSD Toolbox, the humanised value shown is "3.34TB").

But as I said, it varies per model of drive and manufacturer of drive (both things).
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reply to trparky
If it's used in a server, it sounds like the life will be dramatically reduced, is that correct?


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