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hubrisnxs

join:2009-12-30
Fountain Valley, CA
kudos:2
reply to navyson

Re: Horrible youtube speeds

go into your trendnet setting and change it to channel 1, and then try to connect with roku, if it doesn't connect, try channel 6, try to connect, and channel 11 and try to connect.

90+ % of the time it's a wireless channel if you are using 100% correct trendnet essid and wpa2 settings.

navyson

join:2011-07-15
Upper Marlboro, MD

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said by hubrisnxs:

go into your trendnet setting and change it to channel 1, and then try to connect with roku, if it doesn't connect, try channel 6, try to connect, and channel 11 and try to connect.

90+ % of the time it's a wireless channel if you are using 100% correct trendnet essid and wpa2 settings.

I went into the trendnet and tried the different channels(1, 6, 11) and it still didn't work. I spoke with Trendnet technical support and he didn't have any other suggestions for me other than contacting Roku directly. Not sure I want to do that because I hear Roku's customer support is bad.

For now, I hooked up my Netgear Powerline adapter to my Actiontech Router and my Roku box and it connected okay.


Jim_in_VA

join:2004-07-11
Cobbs Creek, VA
kudos:4
reply to AlanM
This is the same with CNN videos for me ... constant studdering
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navyson

join:2011-07-15
Upper Marlboro, MD
reply to AlanM
Thats new. Everybody else only has youtube issues.


Vamp
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join:2003-01-28
MD
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reply to AlanM
So I spent like 5-10 minutes trying to get a video to stream by reloading and changing resolutions... nothing.. I tether computer to my Verizon 4G phone and BOOM, HD streams across no problems.. It is DEFINITELY a FIOS issue (Maybe they need to ditch alter?).
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navyson

join:2011-07-15
Upper Marlboro, MD
said by Vamp:

So I spent like 5-10 minutes trying to get a video to stream by reloading and changing resolutions... nothing.. I tether computer to my Verizon 4G phone and BOOM, HD streams across no problems.. It is DEFINITELY a FIOS issue (Maybe they need to ditch alter?).

Did you try any of the fixes mentioned in this thread. I did and youtube now streams great on my laptop and on my roku box. All in wonderful HD with no buffering.

DrexelBrookA

join:2011-03-24
Drexel Hill, PA
reply to AlanM
New Gen3 Router arrived - hooked up. Tried base settings and DNS changes and even the Firewall solution:

Base Settings - Hulu and HBOGO streamed great, and even a few YouTube videos at 720p and 1080p buffered great.

DNS Changes - OpenDNS and Google DNS resulted in slightly better results of streaming from all sites, no noticeable difference with YouTube

Firewall Changes - Noticeable difference with YouTube, but not on all videos. Seems sporadic based on what video it is.

serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
said by DrexelBrookA:

New Gen3 Router arrived - hooked up. Tried base settings and DNS changes and even the Firewall solution:

Base Settings - Hulu and HBOGO streamed great, and even a few YouTube videos at 720p and 1080p buffered great.

DNS Changes - OpenDNS and Google DNS resulted in slightly better results of streaming from all sites, no noticeable difference with YouTube

Firewall Changes - Noticeable difference with YouTube, but not on all videos. Seems sporadic based on what video it is.

Don't forget what time of day it is. Traffic demand isn't as high at 10am compared to 8-midnight.


rchandra
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reply to jjeffeory
Not necessarily. Your answer assumes a DNS server is a simple database; the same query always yields the same result(s). Many DNS servers work that way, but they don't have to. Just as long as the server follows the DNS protocols, it is free to give any answer it wishes to queries. In the case of large-scale operations like Facebook or YouTube, often the DNS server wishes to respond with AAAA or A RRs which, network-wise, are closest to the client. So for example, if I use OpenDNS's servers, their servers are simply going to forward the query along to one of ns1 - ns4 .google.com. The key difference is the source IP address will be of OpenDNS's servers, not your address. The answer may be optimized for OpenDNS's network, but not your slice of the Internet. So let's say just for the sake of argument you're in NYC and OpenDNS's servers are in LA. The answer back from ns1.google.com may assume you're on the west coast and hand out an address of a content delivery server close to LA. Then you'll be sucking the content clear across the US and be slow, when instead there's probably a duplicate content delivery server right in your own city and be zippy as all get out.

Depending on how YouTube's DNS programming goes, using Verizon's DNS servers in that case might be optimal. It may be even more optimal if you run your own recursive, caching DNS server. Then all the queries will have a source address of you and not Verizon's DNS servers.
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Bytezboy

join:2001-05-17
New York, NY
reply to AlanM
720p videos stall on fios while it's blazing fast on Verizon LTE.
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Vamp
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said by Bytezboy:

720p videos stall on fios while it's blazing fast on Verizon LTE.

Same experience here as posted above... I NEVER at any time have any issues with 480, 720 or 1080p when I tether 4G to laptop.. I switch back to FIOS and it will be sporadic and not even stream 240p on random videos at random times of the day/night.
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derekivey

join:2006-03-30
San Jose, CA
kudos:1
reply to AlanM
I'm noticing this issue as well. Youtube works great over my Hurricane Electric IPv6 tunnel. I captured some traceroutes for some of the servers I had trouble with:

[2.1-BETA0][root@pfsense]/root(1): traceroute r19---sn-p5qlsm7d.c.youtube.com
traceroute to r19.sn-p5qlsm7d.c.youtube.com (208.117.251.184), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 L100.HRBGPA-VFTTP-12.verizon-gni.net (98.117.0.1) 1.222 ms 1.348 ms 0.834 ms
2 G10-0-8-112.HRBGPA-LCR-01.verizon-gni.net (130.81.184.148) 2.839 ms 2.589 ms 2.443 ms
3 P12-0-0.HRBGPA-LCR-02.verizon-gni.net (130.81.27.185) 14.880 ms 14.614 ms 14.698 ms
4 so-12-1-0-0.RES-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net (130.81.28.254) 14.647 ms 14.696 ms 14.552 ms
5 0.xe-3-1-1.BR1.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.37.141) 15.027 ms 15.004 ms 15.064 ms
6 te9-2-0d0.cir1.ashburn-va.us.xo.net (206.111.0.201) 38.517 ms 36.033 ms 34.816 ms
7 216.156.8.189.ptr.us.xo.net (216.156.8.189) 31.958 ms 30.994 ms 29.194 ms
8 209.48.42.86 (209.48.42.86) 124.931 ms 126.117 ms 124.303 ms
9 208.117.251.184 (208.117.251.184) 26.483 ms 27.792 ms 27.974 ms

[2.1-BETA0][root@pfsense]/root(2): traceroute r15---sn-p5qlsm76.c.youtube.com
traceroute to r15.sn-p5qlsm76.c.youtube.com (208.117.251.148), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 L100.HRBGPA-VFTTP-12.verizon-gni.net (98.117.0.1) 1.077 ms 0.863 ms 0.968 ms
2 G10-0-8-112.HRBGPA-LCR-01.verizon-gni.net (130.81.184.148) 2.429 ms 2.265 ms 2.456 ms
3 P12-0-0.HRBGPA-LCR-02.verizon-gni.net (130.81.27.185) 14.788 ms 14.666 ms 14.643 ms
4 so-12-1-0-0.RES-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net (130.81.28.254) 14.591 ms 14.479 ms 16.041 ms
5 0.xe-10-0-0.BR2.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.38.165) 15.007 ms 15.109 ms 14.975 ms
6 144.232.8.209 (144.232.8.209) 187.038 ms 115.363 ms 117.669 ms
7 sl-st31-ash-0-4-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.28.6) 116.263 ms
sl-st31-ash-0-8-0-2.sprintlink.net (144.232.1.19) 116.491 ms
sl-st31-ash-0-4-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.28.6) 116.934 ms
8 sl-googl10-584821-0.sprintlink.net (144.228.205.34) 122.521 ms 122.780 ms 121.535 ms
9 208.117.251.148 (208.117.251.148) 33.669 ms 37.652 ms 38.478 ms

[2.1-BETA0][root@pfsense]/root(6): traceroute r10---sn-p5qlsm7l.c.youtube.com
traceroute to r10.sn-p5qlsm7l.c.youtube.com (208.117.251.47), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 L100.HRBGPA-VFTTP-12.verizon-gni.net (98.117.0.1) 1.159 ms 0.831 ms 0.806 ms
2 G9-0-4-212.HRBGPA-LCR-02.verizon-gni.net (130.81.139.126) 2.396 ms 2.435 ms 2.167 ms
3 so-12-1-0-0.RES-BB-RTR1.verizon-gni.net (130.81.28.254) 14.497 ms 14.767 ms 14.695 ms
4 0.xe-11-0-0.BR2.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.38.169) 15.001 ms 15.074 ms 15.024 ms
5 144.232.8.209 (144.232.8.209) 118.582 ms 116.717 ms 113.669 ms
6 sl-st31-ash-0-4-0-3.sprintlink.net (144.232.3.169) 114.433 ms 117.698 ms
sl-st31-ash-0-4-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.28.6) 115.981 ms
7 sl-googl10-584821-0.sprintlink.net (144.228.205.34) 123.912 ms 124.402 ms 125.384 ms
8 208.117.251.47 (208.117.251.47) 30.591 ms 30.676 ms 29.528 ms

In the first traceroute, it seems the connection gets slow around the XO hop. The other two traceroutes slow down around the Sprint hops.

batsona
Maryland

join:2004-04-17
Ellicott City, MD
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reply to AlanM
Time for a deep-dive. I looked at a research paper online where students examined the cache-server-selection process used by Youtube. Here's an excerpt from it. I think we're looking at the tip of an iceberg:

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Primary cache servers follow the naming convention, v[1-24].lscache[1-8].c.youtube.com. From the example, you can see that there are 24 X 8 = 192 possible hostnames. Then, for example, the first iteration, or v1.lscache1.c.youtube.com maps to ~75 different Address Records in DNS, depending on time-of-day, and location of the querying IP.
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It appears that there are variables at play here, that are difficult to control, if we're going to try to 'fool the system'. This is from a paper, "Where Do You "Tube"? Uncovering YouTube Server Selection Strategy", written by some students at the U. of Minnesota.


Vamp
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MD
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reply to AlanM
Youtube seems to be working fine today, probably just because its the weekend.
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navyson

join:2011-07-15
Upper Marlboro, MD
said by Vamp:

Youtube seems to be working fine today, probablytjust because its the weekend.

Same for me as well. Even though I did the "IP Block" sometime ago, it is still not perfect. Somedays it is good. Other days it is not. Weekends never seem to be a problem however. Less people watching youtube on the weekends I guess.

navyson

join:2011-07-15
Upper Marlboro, MD
reply to Vamp
said by Vamp:

said by Bytezboy:

720p videos stall on fios while it's blazing fast on Verizon LTE.

Same experience here as posted above... I NEVER at any time have any issues with 480, 720 or 1080p when I tether 4G to laptop.. I switch back to FIOS and it will be sporadic and not even stream 240p on random videos at random times of the day/night.

I have the same experience as well. Never had a problem watching youtube videos on my Verizon 4G LTE phone.

I guess Verizon Wireless uses different google servers.


AVITWeb

join:2002-01-11
Trenton, NJ
reply to AlanM
I am getting similar problems with all streamed media. Buffers up to a point then stops. Then there are the dropped frames/stuttering video on Amazon. VHO8

Max Greene

join:2000-12-22
Bayonne, NJ
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
·Boost Mobile
reply to navyson
said by navyson:

said by Vamp:

Youtube seems to be working fine today, probablytjust because its the weekend.

Same for me as well. Even though I did the "IP Block" sometime ago, it is still not perfect. Somedays it is good. Other days it is not. Weekends never seem to be a problem however. Less people watching youtube on the weekends I guess.

Same here. Im just glad youtube is usable now as opposed to before.

Pzykotic

join:2002-06-27
Arlington, MA
reply to AlanM
FiOS is so damn frustrating sometimes. They are 95% perfect, but that 5% is a source of untold annoyance. Pathetic YouTube speeds and the Actiontec brand routers still sucking after 7+ years are two of the big ones. Bleh!

Bytezboy

join:2001-05-17
New York, NY
reply to AlanM
Youtube was slow as molasses today no matter which quality is selected. It could barely hit 30Kb/s.
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SG79

join:2009-05-27
New York, NY
reply to navyson
Verizon Wireless actually uses a different backbone and is totally separate from FiOS (separate company as well). In NYC, VZW uses Level 3 for its backbone.

Pzykotic

join:2002-06-27
Arlington, MA
reply to AlanM
13 pages, has there been any sort of useful official response?

Oh, who am I kidding. There's better information on this website about how to "fix" FiOS' frustrating foibles than even the network technicians who work for VZ are aware of. I find that pretty pathetic.

Max Greene

join:2000-12-22
Bayonne, NJ
Reviews:
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said by Pzykotic:

13 pages, has there been any sort of useful official response?

Oh, who am I kidding. There's better information on this website about how to "fix" FiOS' frustrating foibles than even the network technicians who work for VZ are aware of. I find that pretty pathetic.

Have you tried the "fix" listed in this thread?

Pzykotic

join:2002-06-27
Arlington, MA
reply to AlanM
I have, and I don't mean to sound hostile to this thread in particular. It's great there's so much helpful info, but frustrating that the company I pay $200+/mo to can't fix the few glaring issues FiOS has that hold it back from being a truly impressive internet provider.

I also appreciate you putting quotes around "fix" because they are definitely more like kludges


Onedollar

join:2001-08-27
Pomona, CA
kudos:6
reply to AlanM
said by Pzykotic:

I have, and I don't mean to sound hostile to this thread in particular. It's great there's so much helpful info, but frustrating that the company I pay $200+/mo to can't fix the few glaring issues FiOS has that hold it back from being a truly impressive internet provider.

I also appreciate you putting quotes around "fix" because they are definitely more like kludges

and again, as stated what makes you think VZ has control over google's CDN in what they do?

Edit, response to Pzy, not OP

elefante72

join:2010-12-03
East Amherst, NY
reply to Pzykotic
It's not the backbone, if they hosted it in a Terremark CDN it would work better, but I'm sorry to say that everyone I talk to can't stream youtube from 5-11PM reliably. But at the same time I can stream 2 hidef streams from Netflix no problem or anything else. And as far as I know Verizon hasn't signed up for Netflix CDN yet.

I run my own DNS servers and have played with the

Plain and simple Youtube sucks and the fact that they use flash doesn't help. Maybe when HTML5 gets migrated it gets better, but Google is not doing a good job here.
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houkouonchi

join:2002-07-22
Ontario, CA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to birdfeedr

Re: Horrible youtube speeds

said by birdfeedr:

Please check out this link as a start. You need to know a little more about tier-1 carriers. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network

Here's a list of large Tier-2 carriers. Note the second paragraph of the text. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_2_network

Google is not on this list, although that does not mean it is not tier-2.
A tier-2 purchases transit from a tier-1, not the other way. Tier-3 typically purchases transit from a tier-2.

Purchase cost includes bandwidth. If you have a skinny pipe because that's all you're willing to pay, peak time access will suffer.

Comcast is a tier-2 ISP. Get a traceroute from a comcast address to youtube to see who provides transit.

From my VZ address, traceroute to youtube goes through Verizon through alter.net to the google gateway. While alter.net is a verizon business component, there's lots of folks who know VZ's right hand doesn't know what its left hand is doing.

said by guppy_fish:

None of that happened ... if you spend more time than a Quick search.

NetFix and Google ( primarily YouTube ) are almost 50% of peak traffic now ( more than doubled since 2010 ) and they don't transit other peoples traffic, they only push bits.

Verizon doesn't pay anyone for traffic, as there a tier one network, meaning they ARE the internet, or a large part of it in the US. Verizon has no data caps, they will happily deliver bits day and night.

Google has to pay for the traffic they push, about 10% of the peak bandwidth, just like any other commercial enterprise, the problem for Google, unlike Netflix, which all Netflix customers are paying customers, Google floods out video for "free" to its viewers, and takes in money from advertising, to the tune of almost 3 billion.

Free does pay the bills for footing 10% of the US peak bandwidth

So the fix is YouTube becomes subscription based or Google pays for pushing its Videos, Google then buys peering to match the traffic, just like Nextflix does which by the way isn't having any issues.

Google by the way can purchase peering from many sources, not one has to be Verizon, and they do, like using X/O communications, they need more, its there business and there decision on what to do.

At some point, a company gets so large in their needs, the most cost effective approach is to become a tier one provider, which means a nation wide network which they can plunk down 10's of billions to build and then can push all the traffic ( and carry it ) just like all the other tier one carriers for no peering costs.

The two most accurate description of the problem in this thread. Sorry this is all on Google's end.
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Bytezboy

join:2001-05-17
New York, NY
reply to AlanM
I was streaming the Samsung Galaxy S4 event in 720p at 7PM on warner cable without any buffering.
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alanisrox69

join:2005-03-29
LHV, PA
reply to AlanM
Should also be noted the advertisement videos (before a video) load fast and full -- even the +90 second ones in HD (movie trailers).
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