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13 pages, has there been any sort of useful official response?

Oh, who am I kidding. There's better information on this website about how to "fix" FiOS' frustrating foibles than even the network technicians who work for VZ are aware of. I find that pretty pathetic.

I have, and I don't mean to sound hostile to this thread in particular. It's great there's so much helpful info, but frustrating that the company I pay $200+/mo to can't fix the few glaring issues FiOS has that hold it back from being a truly impressive internet provider.

I also appreciate you putting quotes around "fix" because they are definitely more like kludges

Please check out this link as a start. You need to know a little more about tier-1 carriers. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network

Here's a list of large Tier-2 carriers. Note the second paragraph of the text. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_2_network

Google is not on this list, although that does not mean it is not tier-2.
A tier-2 purchases transit from a tier-1, not the other way. Tier-3 typically purchases transit from a tier-2.

Purchase cost includes bandwidth. If you have a skinny pipe because that's all you're willing to pay, peak time access will suffer.

Comcast is a tier-2 ISP. Get a traceroute from a comcast address to youtube to see who provides transit.

From my VZ address, traceroute to youtube goes through Verizon through alter.net to the google gateway. While alter.net is a verizon business component, there's lots of folks who know VZ's right hand doesn't know what its left hand is doing.

None of that happened ... if you spend more time than a Quick search.

NetFix and Google ( primarily YouTube ) are almost 50% of peak traffic now ( more than doubled since 2010 ) and they don't transit other peoples traffic, they only push bits.

Verizon doesn't pay anyone for traffic, as there a tier one network, meaning they ARE the internet, or a large part of it in the US. Verizon has no data caps, they will happily deliver bits day and night.

Google has to pay for the traffic they push, about 10% of the peak bandwidth, just like any other commercial enterprise, the problem for Google, unlike Netflix, which all Netflix customers are paying customers, Google floods out video for "free" to its viewers, and takes in money from advertising, to the tune of almost 3 billion.

Free does pay the bills for footing 10% of the US peak bandwidth

So the fix is YouTube becomes subscription based or Google pays for pushing its Videos, Google then buys peering to match the traffic, just like Nextflix does which by the way isn't having any issues.

Google by the way can purchase peering from many sources, not one has to be Verizon, and they do, like using X/O communications, they need more, its there business and there decision on what to do.

At some point, a company gets so large in their needs, the most cost effective approach is to become a tier one provider, which means a nation wide network which they can plunk down 10's of billions to build and then can push all the traffic ( and carry it ) just like all the other tier one carriers for no peering costs.

It's not the backbone, if they hosted it in a Terremark CDN it would work better, but I'm sorry to say that everyone I talk to can't stream youtube from 5-11PM reliably. But at the same time I can stream 2 hidef streams from Netflix no problem or anything else. And as far as I know Verizon hasn't signed up for Netflix CDN yet.

I run my own DNS servers and have played with the

Plain and simple Youtube sucks and the fact that they use flash doesn't help. Maybe when HTML5 gets migrated it gets better, but Google is not doing a good job here.

it is very bad today, to say its completely hosed would be an understatement....

I have 50/25 FioS and changing this 23 minute vid to 1080p, the whole thing downloaded in 2 minutes flat . No troubles here, but I dont watch youtube often.