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djbis

join:2002-08-07
Wilmington, DE
reply to navyson

Re: Horrible youtube speeds

Totally agree.

djbis

join:2002-08-07
Wilmington, DE
reply to danclan
Exactly my thoughts at this point.

djbis

join:2002-08-07
Wilmington, DE
reply to AlanM
I did not have this problem with Comcast in my area, and I had 5/10 speed with them. Now I have 150/65.
Ever since I got Fios it has been a nightmare trying to enjoy almost any videos on youtube.

Using apps, specially the Youtube app is the worst ever.

Don't know what to think. Nobody seems to know exactly what the problem is and who is at fault.

NOTE: Could it be a router issue? I assume most of us are dealing with the stupid Actiontech router that verizon gives us. People have told me that its the router so to test I hooked up OLD FAITHFUL, an old Linksys, and for the couple of hours that I had it hooked up I actually saw a big improvement with youtube! But the thing is, I only tested it for a short amount of time.

Are there any Fios customers using other routers? What is their experience on Youtube?


Jcink

join:2005-12-19
none
It's not a router issue, no. You probably just got lucky. I have never used the verizon router because I pay for FiOS business and I suffer slow speeds.


vishal207

@verizon.net
I too am having issues in the arlington/dc area! so annoying!!!


houkouonchi

join:2002-07-22
Ontario, CA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

1 edit

1 recommendation

reply to djbis
said by djbis:

Don't know what to think. Nobody seems to know exactly what the problem is and who is at fault.

People who work in the networking industry (isps/ content providers/etc) know whos fault it is and what the problem is.

Its been said before.

Verizon (along with a select few others) is a tier1 transit provider. This basically means they 'are' the internet and do settlement free peering with all the other tier1 providers. This means bandwidth does not cost them money (they just have to increase their capacity). Google *buys* bandwidth from people. They bought bandwidth (or paid for peering) with Verizon and they are running their links at capacity.

Google could modify their BGP and push traffic to VZ over their other transit providers and fix it or they could pay VZ more money and buy more capacity. Its on google though. There is *Nothing* vz can do about this.

Now a lot of ISPs that are not tier1 transit providers like vz are happy to pier with google (usually for free) because that means they aren't paying for bandwidth used on their transit connections when traffic comes from google as they also have to pay for transit. VZ has no obligation or reason to do this because they don't have to pay for transit/bandwidth costs. If anything their is an incentive not to offer free peering because they could otherwise get money from that person as a customer instead.

Its not that difficult to understand.

Its like saying its vz should force a customer on a higher speed fios package because they saturate their connection alot. Its the customer's choice not the provider.
--
300/150 mbit Bonded Verizon FiOS connection FTW!


finally

@verizon.net
reply to vishal207
i was so pist off for two months because of youtube, i almost gave up on it. I tried the fix by adding the ip addresses to the advanced firewall section of my verizon router. I also added the browser config options below:

if you are using chrome browse, type 'chrome://flags' in the address bar of the browser. It will open a config page and look for an option to enable 'experimental pipelining'. You will then need to scroll down and click the restart button on the bottom after clicking the enable link for pipelining.

In firefox, use this »dilipb.blogspot.com/2011/02/how-···ing.html .

I now get 90000 kbps on my youtube videos following these steps. Not sure about IE.


finally

@verizon.net
Here is the link to add the ip address blocks to your verizon router.

»How-to: Reddit YouTube firewall rule with MI424wr

guppy_fish
Premium
join:2003-12-09
Lakeland, FL
kudos:3
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to AlanM
The primary reason cable company's and even Verizon wireless ( which is not a tier one provider ) is faster / better response with YouTube content is they cache most YouTube content within their network ( copy the content to locally servers owned by the ISP ), they don't do this for the end user, they do this because it saves money by not having to keep paying for the same content over and over again ( transits networks charges )

Verizon, our ISP, pays no such charges so there is no economic reason to have to buy, maintain and mange the caching servers.

Its as simple as that, Verizon users get there content direct from Google and is dependent on Google's resources ... tier two and three provider have local copies since its costs less overall


Rattler

join:2001-04-13
Havertown, PA
reply to AlanM
I've noticed that YouTube streaming has been pretty bad for the past couple of weeks. Prior to that, I had no issues. I tried both of the "fixes" linked to by "finally", 2 and 3 posts previous and there has been no improvement.

A vid will run for 10 - 15 secs, run out the buffer, hang for 5 - 10 secs and then continue and repeat. I did notice that it NEVER seems to happen in the prefix ads, if you let them run their full length...

I've used the YouTube app on my Samsung BluRay player. That's connected over my wireless LAN and there are no hangs with it.

I'm on a 25/25 provision that consistently tests at ~30d x 25u.
--
Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. -- Red Buttons

v4npro

join:2008-10-24
Pasadena, MD
Same thing, VERY SLOW buffering. Loads at 10-500 kb/s, then stops... I got cache server IP's blocked too.

Using OpenDNS as well.


finally

@verizon.net
try changing to an hd resolution like 720 p or 1080 p after the video loads. There should be like a three second pause because of the ip rejection , but after switching the resolution it goes fast for me. Also, i do have my DNS set to google dns server. 8.8.8.8 or something like that (not sure if this helps).

Hopefully, someone else has the same results as me.


Pos

@verizon.net
This past week has given me nothing but problems when trying to watch youtube vids. I have no problems watching them at school. This has just started recently and is annoying as hell!!

dpridgen
Premium
join:2004-01-14
Port Washington, NY
kudos:1
reply to AlanM
I have also been having problems the past week or so. The oe thing I have found is that being in auto mode seems to make it worse. When the video initially starts playing, it will buffer pretty slow then stop after 10-15 seconds. If I go directly to the settings and change the mode from auto to the highest def possible, it immediately resumes and plays with no problems after that.


NYC User

@verizon.net
reply to AlanM
I'm in NYC. I had time warner on an old computer before and youtube ran faster than my computer. I have super fast machine now and I regret to switching to verizon - youtube speed is worse than dial-up circa 1998. It definitely has to be a verizon problem and they should take every step to fix it.


Chris123NT

join:2001-11-24
Nesconset, NY
reply to AlanM
The past 2 nights it has been worse than ever. Between 8 PM and 11:30 PM youtube videos don't even ATTEMPT to stream. You just get a still shot of the first frame. I let it sit for 10 minutes and NOTHING happened. No joke, this is totally ridiculous.

mario44222

join:2003-11-22
Cliffside Park, NJ
reply to AlanM
Same issue here as well in NJ.

mario44222

join:2003-11-22
Cliffside Park, NJ
I ended up blocking 173.194.43.x/255.255.255.0 and seems like speeds are normal again which are a different subnet from the reddit articles.

timestamp seconds 29.401
640x360, 292 average kbps, 100% volume
TagStreamPlayer, HTTP, 11008 kbps
24 stage fps, 24 video fps, 371 dropped, 0 kbps
software video rendering, accelerated video decoding
-15.290 db, 1 audio factor

Before kbps was like 30-500


Pos

@verizon.net
Spoke with them again. Basically he told my to open up cmd and type in "tracert youtube"..

From the results he told me there is "latency" on the "7th hop". At that point I was like DAFUQ. Basically google and verizon are trying to work out a way to sustain more users. He said it is a known issue and they are trying to resolve it.

JohnGalt21

join:2012-12-14
Ridgefield, NJ
reply to AlanM
This is definitely related to FiOS. Until 2 weeks ago I had Time Warner Cable, and never had issues with Youtube despite slow connection (15/1). Now that I switched to FiOS (75/35), I can't watch any Youtube video without it stopping in the middle and taking ages to start playing again.


Chris123NT

join:2001-11-24
Nesconset, NY
reply to AlanM
I just remembered I have a giganews diamond account which includes vyprvpn, so I fired up the VPN, and bang, youtube was at full speed. Now if only I could devise a way to only use the VPN for youtube and let everything else go direct.

Anyone know how to do that?

JohnGalt21

join:2012-12-14
Ridgefield, NJ
reply to Pos
said by Pos :

Spoke with them again. Basically he told my to open up cmd and type in "tracert youtube"..

From the results he told me there is "latency" on the "7th hop". At that point I was like DAFUQ. Basically google and verizon are trying to work out a way to sustain more users. He said it is a known issue and they are trying to resolve it.

Just tried that, and I also got *Request Timed Out* on the 7th hop.


danclan

join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA
reply to Chris123NT
said by Chris123NT:

I just remembered I have a giganews diamond account which includes vyprvpn, so I fired up the VPN, and bang, youtube was at full speed. Now if only I could devise a way to only use the VPN for youtube and let everything else go direct.

Anyone know how to do that?

You cannot with the Actiontec since it doesnt support VPN client or server functions...at least not that I've ever seen

If you have 3rd party router running a different firmware (dd-wrt or other) you can usually use OpenVPN client and have all traffic route through the viper vpn that way.


houkouonchi

join:2002-07-22
Ontario, CA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
said by danclan:

said by Chris123NT:

I just remembered I have a giganews diamond account which includes vyprvpn, so I fired up the VPN, and bang, youtube was at full speed. Now if only I could devise a way to only use the VPN for youtube and let everything else go direct.

Anyone know how to do that?

You cannot with the Actiontec since it doesnt support VPN client or server functions...at least not that I've ever seen

If you have 3rd party router running a different firmware (dd-wrt or other) you can usually use OpenVPN client and have all traffic route through the viper vpn that way.

If giganews vypervpn is really just openvpn then its pretty easy to do and you can just do it on your comp as openvpn works on mac/linux/windows. I am very familiar with openvpn but ive never really used giganews 'vypervpn'.

Curious if slowness will show up in my latency plots i just setup for youtube.com:

Daily:


Weekly:


Monthly:

--
300/150 mbit Bonded Verizon FiOS connection FTW!


Chris123NT

join:2001-11-24
Nesconset, NY

1 edit
said by houkouonchi:

said by danclan:

said by Chris123NT:

I just remembered I have a giganews diamond account which includes vyprvpn, so I fired up the VPN, and bang, youtube was at full speed. Now if only I could devise a way to only use the VPN for youtube and let everything else go direct.

Anyone know how to do that?

You cannot with the Actiontec since it doesnt support VPN client or server functions...at least not that I've ever seen

If you have 3rd party router running a different firmware (dd-wrt or other) you can usually use OpenVPN client and have all traffic route through the viper vpn that way.

If giganews vypervpn is really just openvpn then its pretty easy to do and you can just do it on your comp as openvpn works on mac/linux/windows. I am very familiar with openvpn but ive never really used giganews 'vypervpn'.

Curious if slowness will show up in my latency plots i just setup for youtube.com:

Daily:
[att=1]

Weekly:
[att=2]

Monthly:
[att=3]

I bet it won't. The problem isn't really youtube.com itself, but rather the servers that the videos are being streamed from.


houkouonchi

join:2002-07-22
Ontario, CA
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
said by Chris123NT:

I bet it won't. The problem isn't really youtube.com itself, but rather the servers that the videos are being streamed from.

Actually it should. Youtube itself is hosted off of the same AS number (AS15169) as the server serving the content (atleast for me). When links get saturated it should show in latency graphs. It is very likely it will take the same path when going to the same AS number. I see it going through alter.net (vz) -> alternet customer (gw) link just like with the content server.

Look at the traceroute:

traceroute to youtube.com (74.125.224.166), 30 hops max, 46 byte packets
 1  router.houkouonchi.jp (1.1.1.1)  0.072 ms  0.930 ms  0.098 ms
 2  * * *
 3  G0-3-1-7.LSANCA-LCR-21.verizon-gni.net (130.81.140.224)  5.872 ms  7.182 ms  3.608 ms
 4  130.81.199.38 (130.81.199.38)  3.584 ms  28.155 ms  4.203 ms
 5  0.xe-2-1-3.XL3.LAX15.ALTER.NET (152.63.8.41)  3.800 ms  4.007 ms  4.485 ms
 6  TenGigE0-6-2-0.GW4.LAX15.ALTER.NET (152.63.114.213)  9.345 ms TenGigE0-6-4-0.GW4.LAX15.ALTER.NET (152.63.114.217)  7.831 ms TenGigE0-4-0-0.GW4.LAX15.ALTER.NET (152.63.112.73)  6.393 ms
 7  google-gw.customer.alter.net (63.125.112.154)  4.358 ms  4.530 ms  5.932 ms
 8  64.233.174.238 (64.233.174.238)  3.496 ms  4.429 ms  4.076 ms
 9  72.14.236.11 (72.14.236.11)  5.645 ms  4.081 ms  5.376 ms
10  youtube.com (74.125.224.166)  3.642 ms  3.861 ms  3.751 ms
root@dekabutsu: 12:41 AM :~#
 

The possible bad hop is 7 (63.125.112.154) which is google's border router (transit to VZ)

Now when I traceroute an IP of one of the servers that was actually sending me the video stream it goes through the same 63.125.112.154:

 
root@dekabutsu: 12:45 AM :~# traceroute -I 173.194.8.230
traceroute to 173.194.8.230 (173.194.8.230), 30 hops max, 46 byte packets
 1  router.houkouonchi.jp (1.1.1.1)  0.171 ms  0.395 ms  0.097 ms
 2  * * *
 3  G0-3-1-7.LSANCA-LCR-21.verizon-gni.net (130.81.140.224)  7.760 ms  4.948 ms  4.321 ms
 4  130.81.199.38 (130.81.199.38)  3.613 ms  18.408 ms  3.794 ms
 5  0.xe-2-1-3.XL3.LAX15.ALTER.NET (152.63.8.41)  3.895 ms  3.930 ms  3.658 ms
 6  TenGigE0-4-0-0.GW4.LAX15.ALTER.NET (152.63.112.73)  7.282 ms TenGigE0-6-0-0.GW4.LAX15.ALTER.NET (152.63.114.205)  7.594 ms  8.861 ms
 7  google-gw.customer.alter.net (63.125.112.154)  5.010 ms  6.408 ms  6.543 ms
 8  216.239.43.197 (216.239.43.197)  5.755 ms  4.168 ms  4.398 ms
 9  173.194.8.230 (173.194.8.230)  3.735 ms  3.389 ms  3.421 ms
 

Now of course this is VZ -> google. I don't have access to google's servers so I can't do a reverse traceroute to see if the return route is coming back the same way on both but its a likely possibility that is the case considering they both have similar forward routes and about the same latency.

I haven't really been noticing any bad youtube performance though here in Socal. That is with 720/1080p videos. As always 360/480p videos are throttled by youtube itself and load much slower than their 720p/1080p counter-parts.

--
300/150 mbit Bonded Verizon FiOS connection FTW!

batsona
Maryland

join:2004-04-17
Ellicott City, MD
Reviews:
·Vonage
·Verizon FiOS
reply to AlanM
It would seem that the best way to fix this, if you had two connections at your house, is to buy a firewall that had at least 2 external connections on it, and connect FiOS, and [let's say], a tier-2 cable modem provider for another carrier. Then put static routing statements in your firewall so that all YouTube traffic goes to the tier-2 provider, and everything else goes to FiOS. --assuming that the tier-2 provider has adequate bandwidth to Google's network [unlike UUNET]?

zippoboy7

join:2006-06-18
USA

1 recommendation

said by batsona:

It would seem that the best way to fix this, if you had two connections at your house, is to buy a firewall that had at least 2 external connections on it, and connect FiOS, and [let's say], a tier-2 cable modem provider for another carrier. Then put static routing statements in your firewall so that all YouTube traffic goes to the tier-2 provider, and everything else goes to FiOS. --assuming that the tier-2 provider has adequate bandwidth to Google's network [unlike UUNET]?

I solved the issue without having to pay for another provider, I just added a IPv6 tunnel using Tunnelbroker to my firewall and all youtube content now flows over that, I no longer have any buffering and other then the occasional error about DRM saying I do not live in the US (Using a Virgina tunnel... Google needs to fix there geo-location crap) it works great.


wampdog29

@verizon.net
I am also noticing this speed issue with Verizon FiOS and Youtube. However, I just wanted to throw in my two cents and correct something a few people are saying. Is Youtube free to use? Sure, but, Google Play Movies & TV is a service that is ran from within Youtube as well, and these movies I DO pay for yet they are rarely playable. I get better playback/streaming with 3G compared to my 50/35 FiOS!!!

batsona
Maryland

join:2004-04-17
Ellicott City, MD
reply to zippoboy7
Since it looks like there's little valid resolution here, zippoboy7 might want to post a step by step procedure on how to do the tunneling he did. It looks like the only resolution at this point (tunneling into another carrier)