 djbis join:2002-08-07 Wilmington, DE | reply to navyson
Re: Horrible youtube speeds Totally agree. |
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 djbis join:2002-08-07 Wilmington, DE | reply to danclan Exactly my thoughts at this point. |
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 djbis join:2002-08-07 Wilmington, DE | reply to AlanM I did not have this problem with Comcast in my area, and I had 5/10 speed with them. Now I have 150/65. Ever since I got Fios it has been a nightmare trying to enjoy almost any videos on youtube.
Using apps, specially the Youtube app is the worst ever.
Don't know what to think. Nobody seems to know exactly what the problem is and who is at fault.
NOTE: Could it be a router issue? I assume most of us are dealing with the stupid Actiontech router that verizon gives us. People have told me that its the router so to test I hooked up OLD FAITHFUL, an old Linksys, and for the couple of hours that I had it hooked up I actually saw a big improvement with youtube! But the thing is, I only tested it for a short amount of time.
Are there any Fios customers using other routers? What is their experience on Youtube? |
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 | It's not a router issue, no. You probably just got lucky. I have never used the verizon router because I pay for FiOS business and I suffer slow speeds. |
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 | I too am having issues in the arlington/dc area! so annoying!!! |
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1 edit | reply to djbis said by djbis:Don't know what to think. Nobody seems to know exactly what the problem is and who is at fault. People who work in the networking industry (isps/ content providers/etc) know whos fault it is and what the problem is.
Its been said before.
Verizon (along with a select few others) is a tier1 transit provider. This basically means they 'are' the internet and do settlement free peering with all the other tier1 providers. This means bandwidth does not cost them money (they just have to increase their capacity). Google *buys* bandwidth from people. They bought bandwidth (or paid for peering) with Verizon and they are running their links at capacity.
Google could modify their BGP and push traffic to VZ over their other transit providers and fix it or they could pay VZ more money and buy more capacity. Its on google though. There is *Nothing* vz can do about this.
Now a lot of ISPs that are not tier1 transit providers like vz are happy to pier with google (usually for free) because that means they aren't paying for bandwidth used on their transit connections when traffic comes from google as they also have to pay for transit. VZ has no obligation or reason to do this because they don't have to pay for transit/bandwidth costs. If anything their is an incentive not to offer free peering because they could otherwise get money from that person as a customer instead.
Its not that difficult to understand.
Its like saying its vz should force a customer on a higher speed fios package because they saturate their connection alot. Its the customer's choice not the provider. -- 300/150 mbit Bonded Verizon FiOS connection FTW! |
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 | reply to vishal207 i was so pist off for two months because of youtube, i almost gave up on it. I tried the fix by adding the ip addresses to the advanced firewall section of my verizon router. I also added the browser config options below:
if you are using chrome browse, type 'chrome://flags' in the address bar of the browser. It will open a config page and look for an option to enable 'experimental pipelining'. You will then need to scroll down and click the restart button on the bottom after clicking the enable link for pipelining.
In firefox, use this »dilipb.blogspot.com/2011/02/how-···ing.html .
I now get 90000 kbps on my youtube videos following these steps. Not sure about IE. |
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 | Here is the link to add the ip address blocks to your verizon router.
»How-to: Reddit YouTube firewall rule with MI424wr |
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| reply to AlanM The primary reason cable company's and even Verizon wireless ( which is not a tier one provider ) is faster / better response with YouTube content is they cache most YouTube content within their network ( copy the content to locally servers owned by the ISP ), they don't do this for the end user, they do this because it saves money by not having to keep paying for the same content over and over again ( transits networks charges )
Verizon, our ISP, pays no such charges so there is no economic reason to have to buy, maintain and mange the caching servers.
Its as simple as that, Verizon users get there content direct from Google and is dependent on Google's resources ... tier two and three provider have local copies since its costs less overall |
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 Rattler join:2001-04-13 Havertown, PA | reply to AlanM I've noticed that YouTube streaming has been pretty bad for the past couple of weeks. Prior to that, I had no issues. I tried both of the "fixes" linked to by "finally", 2 and 3 posts previous and there has been no improvement.
A vid will run for 10 - 15 secs, run out the buffer, hang for 5 - 10 secs and then continue and repeat. I did notice that it NEVER seems to happen in the prefix ads, if you let them run their full length...
I've used the YouTube app on my Samsung BluRay player. That's connected over my wireless LAN and there are no hangs with it.
I'm on a 25/25 provision that consistently tests at ~30d x 25u. -- Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. -- Red Buttons |
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 v4npro join:2008-10-24 Pasadena, MD | Same thing, VERY SLOW buffering. Loads at 10-500 kb/s, then stops... I got cache server IP's blocked too.
Using OpenDNS as well. |
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 | try changing to an hd resolution like 720 p or 1080 p after the video loads. There should be like a three second pause because of the ip rejection , but after switching the resolution it goes fast for me. Also, i do have my DNS set to google dns server. 8.8.8.8 or something like that (not sure if this helps).
Hopefully, someone else has the same results as me. |
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 Pos @verizon.net | This past week has given me nothing but problems when trying to watch youtube vids. I have no problems watching them at school. This has just started recently and is annoying as hell!! |
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 dpridgenPremium join:2004-01-14 Port Washington, NY kudos:1 | reply to AlanM I have also been having problems the past week or so. The oe thing I have found is that being in auto mode seems to make it worse. When the video initially starts playing, it will buffer pretty slow then stop after 10-15 seconds. If I go directly to the settings and change the mode from auto to the highest def possible, it immediately resumes and plays with no problems after that. |
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 | reply to AlanM I'm in NYC. I had time warner on an old computer before and youtube ran faster than my computer. I have super fast machine now and I regret to switching to verizon - youtube speed is worse than dial-up circa 1998. It definitely has to be a verizon problem and they should take every step to fix it. |
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 | reply to AlanM The past 2 nights it has been worse than ever. Between 8 PM and 11:30 PM youtube videos don't even ATTEMPT to stream. You just get a still shot of the first frame. I let it sit for 10 minutes and NOTHING happened. No joke, this is totally ridiculous. |
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 | reply to AlanM Same issue here as well in NJ. |
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 | I ended up blocking 173.194.43.x/255.255.255.0 and seems like speeds are normal again which are a different subnet from the reddit articles.
timestamp seconds 29.401 640x360, 292 average kbps, 100% volume TagStreamPlayer, HTTP, 11008 kbps 24 stage fps, 24 video fps, 371 dropped, 0 kbps software video rendering, accelerated video decoding -15.290 db, 1 audio factor
Before kbps was like 30-500 |
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 Pos @verizon.net | Spoke with them again. Basically he told my to open up cmd and type in "tracert youtube"..
From the results he told me there is "latency" on the "7th hop". At that point I was like DAFUQ. Basically google and verizon are trying to work out a way to sustain more users. He said it is a known issue and they are trying to resolve it. |
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 | reply to AlanM This is definitely related to FiOS. Until 2 weeks ago I had Time Warner Cable, and never had issues with Youtube despite slow connection (15/1). Now that I switched to FiOS (75/35), I can't watch any Youtube video without it stopping in the middle and taking ages to start playing again. |
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