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reply to navyson

Re: Horrible youtube speeds

reply to AlanM
Did Google decrease the "peering" capacity since the summer of 2012 when NBC in partnership with youtube had live streaming of the Olympics?

I had no problems watching 1080p live coverage during the Olympics this past summer. Now, it is February, a few months after the fact and at times, I can barely stream a 360p video.

Did google cut back on the peering links since then? I can only assume there were alot more streaming requests from Verizon customers during the Olympics than what we have now.

reply to AlanM
i'm just happy to finally see that i'm not alone with this issue. it was really driving me nuts. i was resetting my routers, running dns benchmarks and switching around nameservers, so on and so forth, all because of this horrible youtube buffering.

i just recently got into minecraft pretty heavily (yeah, i know... i'm late to the party!) and i'm dying to watch the myriad of youtube videos with respect to the game and its content, but it's been utterly miserable trying to slug through with things as they are right now. :/

reply to navyson
It's increased traffic due to more customers on FiOS - if Google doesn't increase their peering capacity as the traffic increases, you see what happens.....

reply to nycdave

Please check out this link as a start. You need to know a little more about tier-1 carriers. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1_network

Here's a list of large Tier-2 carriers. Note the second paragraph of the text. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_2_network

Google is not on this list, although that does not mean it is not tier-2.
A tier-2 purchases transit from a tier-1, not the other way. Tier-3 typically purchases transit from a tier-2.

Purchase cost includes bandwidth. If you have a skinny pipe because that's all you're willing to pay, peak time access will suffer.

Comcast is a tier-2 ISP. Get a traceroute from a comcast address to youtube to see who provides transit.

From my VZ address, traceroute to youtube goes through Verizon through alter.net to the google gateway. While alter.net is a verizon business component, there's lots of folks who know VZ's right hand doesn't know what its left hand is doing.

You may find a traceroute to youtube from home a bit different than one from work. You can't tell if the hop is on a fat pipe or a skinny pipe, but I'll bet if a hop is showing packet loss and lag, it's a skinny pipe or it has a lot of traffic going through it.

I believe the recent FiOS slowdowns are almost certainly the result of rapid expansion into Quantum tiers. That's the single most recent event with the largest impact on network congestion. As FiOS subscribers continue to complain about network congestion, it will get addressed. Changes to a tier-1 network are never quickly made. Someone has already said it will take about 3 or 4 months for the network to settle down, same as it did when FiOS pushed the envelope with the new high-speed tiers back in 2010 and several times since then.

One really interesting problem is how google's gigabit fiber in Kansas City will transit to the internet.

reply to AlanM
Someone from Reddit figured out the solution to remove the whole Google Peering or the whole intentional bandwidth throttling by Google.

»www.reddit.com/r/technology/comm···_stream/ sort by: Top

Basically, you need to block out the IP range that causes the bandwidth throttling, while you're trying to watch a Youtube under any video bitrate. I've tested this out and it works really well, utilizes my maximum bandwidth without any buffer.

Block IP from 206.111.0.0 to 206.111.255.255 within your Inbound Rules of your Windows Firewall. This link will help you proceed through the process on how to block the IP ranges: »www.studyblog.net/2011/10/block-···irewall/ Under step 9, where you input the IPs, it's best to select "This IP address range" for easier inputs of your IP range.

Once you set this all up, you'll be able to watch any Youtube video with your glorious speeds.

Thank you, I just configured the rule and I'll see what happens later today

reply to AlanM
If you want to see where the YouTube /Google content is actually coming from, open a command window and type netstat, this will list all open network connections

From there you will find the IP of where the YouTube is sending the video from. The above IP block is all owned be XO communications.

reply to AlanM
The issue is a Verizon FIOS throttling problem more than anything.

The people saying Google needs to pay Verizon for peering is a very common ISP argument against content providers. And it's one of the pinnacle arguments for network neutrality today, and why it has been such a big thing over the years.

I encourage you to contact the FCC and your representatives.

Essentially, the ISPs pay more for the amount of data that transits through their providers. So, to make this simple, if I'm on Comcast, and you're on Verizon, Verizon pays for the amount of bandwidth you use to me. This is also why they've wanted to heavily throttle peer to peer connections.

So, essentially, it's Verizon holding YouTube hostage for Google so Google pays up some cash.

^^^ lol

Not one sentence in your post is factual

Really?

While it's not directly "Comcast vs. Verizon" in this case (I used companies that people would recognize), let's change it to real organizations:

Cogent vs. Hurricane Electric

Here's a good article from Ars about it as well: »arstechnica.com/features/2008/09···transit/

Let's not forget that on the more content-oriented end; Netflix on Comcast ISP service counts against a data cap while Comcast's own streaming service over the same TCP/IP connectivity does NOT count against your cap. This is a bit more subtle behavior than what Verizon is doing with YouTube.

Verizon's just being a pain in the ass about it to Google because they want them to pony up money.

Looks like a couple of years ago Google paid Verizon for 'faster access': »www.dailytech.com/FCC+Ends+Talks···9278.htm

Here's some more information on the Verizon vs. Google fiasco over the years: »www.dailytech.com/Reports+Google···9273.htm

It doesn't take but a quick Google Search.

reply to guppy_fish
This is a real problem that needs to be fixed. Report the problem to the FCC. We can bitch and moan all day long here but it doesn't mean a thing. Complain to the FCC. They do a great job of resolving issues.

reply to magamiako
None of that happened ... if you spend more time than a Quick search.

NetFix and Google ( primarily YouTube ) are almost 50% of peak traffic now ( more than doubled since 2010 ) and they don't transit other peoples traffic, they only push bits.

Verizon doesn't pay anyone for traffic, as there a tier one network, meaning they ARE the internet, or a large part of it in the US. Verizon has no data caps, they will happily deliver bits day and night.

Google has to pay for the traffic they push, about 10% of the peak bandwidth, just like any other commercial enterprise, the problem for Google, unlike Netflix, which all Netflix customers are paying customers, Google floods out video for "free" to its viewers, and takes in money from advertising, to the tune of almost 3 billion.

Free does pay the bills for footing 10% of the US peak bandwidth

So the fix is YouTube becomes subscription based or Google pays for pushing its Videos, Google then buys peering to match the traffic, just like Nextflix does which by the way isn't having any issues.

Google by the way can purchase peering from many sources, not one has to be Verizon, and they do, like using X/O communications, they need more, its there business and there decision on what to do.

At some point, a company gets so large in their needs, the most cost effective approach is to become a tier one provider, which means a nation wide network which they can plunk down 10's of billions to build and then can push all the traffic ( and carry it ) just like all the other tier one carriers for no peering costs.

reply to michael3314

I expect the FCC to force Verizon to provide its users with the same service that other internet providers do. No one complains about Comcast or any other major carrier. Its just Verizon.

Its a nice try but every link you provided was a single instance. This problem with Verizon is widespread and universal.

it honestly doesn't take more than 10 seconds of googling to see that it is a universal problem with all providers.

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