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Re: Anyone have IPv6 on Verzion Land Line? The whole thing about running dual-stack is that legacy IPv4-only devices will continue to function, and routers will be able to provide both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses if they support both. This isn't just marketing speak, it's real.
Comcast has already implemented IPv6 in a dual-stack configuration for their high speed internet customers. You don't hear anything about peoples' network printers, internet music players, storage devices, and other products not working properly on their network, do you?
Also... Android has supported IPv6 for a while now. In fact, Verizon Wireless requires every LTE-capable device to support it. Verizon does have IPv6 fully operational on their LTE network. In fact, if you have a Verizon Wireless LTE phone, take its browser and go to »ipv6-test.com. You'll see both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses. That's how dual stack works.
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Comcast did quite a few things differently in their v6 deployment from how VZ is doing it (there was a writeup on here in the last year or so that described their approaches that pointed out that VZ was going to have problems). And, yes, there are quite a few problems with v4 devices that do not work correctly on Comcast's deployment. Mostly things that are more than 2 years old. Several of my neighbors can't use their wifi printers, cameras, older tablets and phones. Comcast finally told them they'll just have to connect the devices to their computers or buy new ones that are v6-rated.
VZ's also running into problems with older devices. LTE devices may not be affected but they still have astronomical numbers of customers with 3G-era (or older) devices that DO NOT conform to the "new" rules, nor can they be made compliant without some kind of updating by the manufacturer. Those users will be OOL if VZ doesn't figure out and fix whatever is they're doing wrong before they roll-out v6. Otherwise, they'll have a PR nightmare on their hands.
There's a subtle difference in the demographics between Comcast and VZ customers (at least in the markets where they compete). The Comcast customers tend to be more tech-savvy and more likely to just replace a device that is not compatible. VZ still has a tons of customers who are less technical and are harder to convince that it's time to just "get a new one." Hopefully, what they come up with for FiOS will also fit DSL when/if v6 lands there.
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said by DC DSL:#1 It seems to me, unless I am missing something: You seem to think if Verizon were to deploy IPv6, then Verzon will shut down IPv4 then and there.
Those users will be OOL if VZ doesn't figure out and fix whatever is they're doing wrong before they roll-out v6. Otherwise, they'll have a PR nightmare on their hands.
#2 And it time to get some stats on IPv4 only, IPv6 only and dual (IPv4 & IPv6) Stack.
I point to »networking.vutbr.cz/live-statistics/ where it clearly shows (today when I looked)
a) Out of at least 5,000,000 domains, for web (HTTP & HTTPS) 95.30% of the servers are IPv4 only (Dual Stack is 4.23% and the rest are IPv6 only).
b) Out of at least 5,000,000 domains, for Mail (SMTP) 87.9% of the servers are IPv4 only (Dual Stack is 12.15% and the rest are IPv6 only).
c) Out of at least 5,000,000 domains, for DNS (domain name) 76.92% of the servers are IPv4 only (Dual Stack is 23.08% and the rest are IPv6 only).
Stats for IPv4 only, IPv6 only, and dual (IPv4 & IPv6) stack
#3 Based upon those stats, it seems crazy/nuts to turn off IPv4. I sure would not...
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Agree, I can't see why an ISP would turn off IPv4 any time soon. They have the network up and running, they have their address allocation and as I think we are all painfully aware most users corporate and consumer alike are woefully unprepared for IPv6. There is no upside to turning off v4.
Public sites will do everything in their power to maintain a direct v4 presence so as to not limit their audience. There are lots of lower priority users out there that will be forced to give up their address so sites are able to maintain a v4 presence.
At some point as the ISP exhausts their IPv4 allocation they will have to tell new customers either 1) they are out of luck or 2) deploy one of the many ugly conversions strategies.
For my own use I just switched DSL providers and asked about IPv6 support hoping I could play with it. Answer was "not yet we'll let you know." The gear they provided does not even have IPv6 firmware support so I assume it will be quite a while down the road.
My web site is v4 only so I'm one of the other 95%.
I though the final RIR IPv4 allocation in Feb 2011 would have sped things up more then is has. In the US we are in better shape then other regions but that also means we will be able to procrastinate longer.