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PeeWee
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Oh come on, really!

Did some on call work for a new client today and will again soon. Apparently they have been getting ripped of and one of their requirements now is to have a gps enabled phone for check in and out. Now I have no intention to defraud but I am really curious. I find it hard to believe that they can access that kind of information from a phone call especially if the gps does not initiate. Maybe they believe the ones that would report falsely are dumb enough to believe it (surprisingly a computer/network tech. support employer) . You tell me, am I the naive one?
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Juggernaut
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The GPS, and cell tower location may be enabled on those devices perhaps? You know, user is on Google maps, etc. and is dumb enough?

It's plausible.
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dib22

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reply to PeeWee

Don't tell them about gps spoofing (grin).



Juggernaut
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Shh!



AVD
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said by dib22:

Don't tell them about gps spoofing (grin).

this
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PeeWee
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reply to Juggernaut

I guess what I'm really asking is this. To my knowledge without putting an app of some sort on you phone I believe this is impossible. Is that not true?
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said by PeeWee:

I guess what I'm really asking is this. To my knowledge without putting an app of some sort on you phone I believe this is impossible. Is that not true?

the question is, is there an app that can do this?
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PeeWee
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There are parental oversight apps that claim they can, but not over a phone call. So I guess I am not mistaken when I call BS. Thank you.
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AVD
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Well technically the browser can report your location. (if you allow it)



PeeWee
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said by AVD:

Well technically the browser can report your location. (if you allow it)

True. Still not precise enough to prove on site location.
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Harddrive
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I somewhat disagree.
There are three providers that use E911 Phase II data. Those three providers are AT&T Mobility, Sprint, and T-Mobile. Unless you are in a basement or in middle of a mid to large sized building (hospital/office building), the area of uncertainty is small. The smallest area of uncertainty is being outside. The phone's location can be narrowed down to just a few yards.
Now with cell site activations with regards to calls or texts placed or received to the phone, it is only enough to locate which one of the three sides of the cell tower the transmission started and, if different, ended on (such as being on a call while driving down a highway through multiple cell towers).
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AVD
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It has nothing to do with E911. Handsets reports back to google wi-fi, celltower and GPS data. This is all correlated so that if your device has one of these sensors off it can still locate you.

The browser location services will use wi-fi data to triangulate location. My wifi only HP Touchpad will show my location on google maps and other geo-aware web sites. Based on google maps, I can tell what quadrant of the house I am in.

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KoolMoe
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But...can OTHER devices somehow access that information without a specific App on the target mobile device reporting it? I kinda hope not...seems very privacy-compromising. If a company really wanted to enforce such a policy, I'd think they'd require contractors/employees to install a specific App that reports to some webservice the employer would access...
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PeteC2
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said by KoolMoe:

But...can OTHER devices somehow access that information without a specific App on the target mobile device reporting it?

Yes, based on the phone. On many phones "Location" is a setting that can be switched off, on others there may be a choice between "on", and E911 only (the owner has to make a 911 call).

This has been used to locate lost campers as well as those who drove off the road and were incapable of calling out.
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Harddrive
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The caller doesn't have to make a 911 call. The provider can 'ping' the phone and get either GPS, triangulate the cell sites, or use a mathematical algorithm to estimate the distance from the tower.



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said by KoolMoe:

But...can OTHER devices somehow access that information without a specific App on the target mobile device reporting it? I kinda hope not...seems very privacy-compromising. If a company really wanted to enforce such a policy, I'd think they'd require contractors/employees to install a specific App that reports to some webservice the employer would access...

all they need is a time tracking website with geolocation.
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said by Harddrive:

The caller doesn't have to make a 911 call. The provider can 'ping' the phone and get either GPS, triangulate the cell sites, or use a mathematical algorithm to estimate the distance from the tower.

yes, but the provider won't release this information to an employer, especially if the phone is owned by the user, without all sorts f rigamarole, and definitely not for timekeeping applications.
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said by PeeWee:

... one of their requirements now is to have a gps enabled phone for check in and out.

how do you check in and out? By calling or using an on line application?
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PeeWee
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said by AVD:

said by PeeWee:

... one of their requirements now is to have a gps enabled phone for check in and out.

how do you check in and out? By calling or using an on line application?

Phone call, that is why I call BS.
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dib22

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said by PeeWee:

Phone call, that is why I call BS.

Maybe it is some competence test? If you believe it you fail?

Seriously though could they have cameras at the places? Perhaps they check the security feed when you call in to visually verify?


PeeWee
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said by dib22:

said by PeeWee:

Phone call, that is why I call BS.

Maybe it is some competence test? If you believe it you fail?

Seriously though could they have cameras at the places? Perhaps they check the security feed when you call in to visually verify?

Wording in contract is contractor must have smart phone with gps enabled to call in for check in and out in order to allow us to verify your location.
Like I said BS. I guess they believe anyone stupid enough to lie would also be stupid enough to believe it.
Or maybe it is a competency test.??
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