 hm
@videotron.ca | What does the CBB ruling mean to you and me? Today all the R&V's submitted by CNOC members and JF for the 703/704 ruling is to come out. Revamped w/ new pricing and with more transparency (as the new CRTC chair promised).
To jog the memory, this is the one where Bell et all submitted that:
# + # = ########.##$
Then when some other Big telco's submitted their #'s and it was higher than theirs, the big telco's re-submitted their numbers again stating they made an error and it was too low, so they added a couple of more decimal places to increase the price (the price the indi's will pay, thus you).
Per Jesse Brown, it went something like this:
»www2.macleans.ca/2012/03/02/reme···s-worse/
The result is wild variations in capacity costs. For example, Cogeco says their wholesale capacity cost is $26.95 per customer, while MTS Allstream says it costs $2.81 per customer. The CRTC accepted these submissions at face value and issued them as part of the UBB decision.
It gets downright comical: now that the low-ballers have seen what their competitors are getting away with, they are asking to hike-up the original figures they submitted. Today is the deadline for them to make their cases, and each is citing different “technological” reasons for the change. Each ISP tells a different, woeful tale about how they underestimated things and suddenly realize they need to charge much more than initially thought.
Finally, and with a new CRTC chair, the numbers are going to bust loose (or so he said), and should drop.
So what does it mean to you and me?
1. We should also be able to see which incumbent screwed the people/indie's the most and can be crowned the most anti-competitive and greedy of them all. (Kudos to Resa)
2. As far as I know, the bottom line is that the average cost per user should drop if the decision is favourable. A few dollar per person. Maybe insignificant to you and me, but significant as a whole when an indie is paying inflated capacity rates to handle all of our traffic (usage).
3. Idie's should be able to offer the faster speed tiers which they currently do not offer. Basically, for example, a handfull of people on a 60-meg or 120-meg videotron plan could saturate links. The capacity costs made it too expensive to offer w/o peak time congestion.
4. Unlimited accounts should drop in price, or basic accounts could drop in price, or the basic accounts could just all be unlimited (or usage doubled). It provides more felxability in what an indie can offer.
5. Prices and usage may just remain the same, but an idie will just offer faster speed tiers.
Basically, it provides more felxability in what an indie can offer.
Any other significance to this for the Indie? What about the people? |
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:20 | It changes the viability of unlimited packages, and may cause indies to change the caps on services.
The lack of 10 gig links for companies like Bell is still a problem, though. DSL goes up to 50 megabit per customer, but Bell is still forcing everybody to use poorly load balanced individual gigabit connections.
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 roccaStart.caPremium
join:2008-11-16
London, ON
kudos:11 | reply to hm
Very good summary. |
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TypeS
join:2012-12-17
London, ON
kudos:1 Reviews:
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I don't expect to see price drops on the high speed tiers, since both the CEOs of Start & TekSavvy have said they're easting costs on the high speed tiers. Only if the rates go so low that they'd be making so much profit to allow room to lower prices. Prices are already low compared to incumbents.
I'm sure people with Start are hoping to finally see unlimited on the higher tiers on Cable packages. I'm hoping to see some of the higher offerings such as 50/10 DSL or 150/10 Cable with unlimited under $100/month if the new CBB rates permit. |
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I forecast competitive prices on dial-up connections.
The rest, since it's non-essential, will be affected by the way the CRTC slices'n'dices the incumbent costs, and that may mean lower capacity costs but perhaps higher other costs as 'offsets' to the incumbents for their 'troubles'.  |
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MFido
join:2012-10-19
kudos:1 | reply to TypeS
said by TypeS:I don't expect to see price drops on the high speed tiers, since both the CEOs of Start & TekSavvy have said they're easting costs on the high speed tiers. Only if the rates go so low that they'd be making so much profit to allow room to lower prices. Prices are already low compared to incumbents.
I'm sure people with Start are hoping to finally see unlimited on the higher tiers on Cable packages. I'm hoping to see some of the higher offerings such as 50/10 DSL or 150/10 Cable with unlimited under $100/month if the new CBB rates permit.
Agree with you on both points |
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 sbrookPremium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
Ottawa
kudos:4
·TekSavvy Cable
| Since it has been proven in the US by factual statements that caps and usage charges are about making money and nothing to do with fairness, it's clear that any charges that would bring the 3rd party retail prices anywhere NEAR the incumbent's retail prices are there for anticompetitive reasons and nothing to do with real costs. |
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hm
@videotron.ca | reply to rocca
I think these the base prices and capacity prices that should drop?
See Appendix-1 a little more than half way down in this filing:
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2011/2011-703.htm
@Guspaz,
If Bell causes headaches then the indies should just favour their cable offerings. Bell can either play ball or lose (keep in mind Bell's quarterly and yearly financial includes wholesale). |
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"In addition, costing errors have been discovered in the cost studies of the Bell companies in Ontario and Quebec and TCC in its territory in Alberta and British Columbia (TCC in Alberta and British Columbia). The correction of these costing errors results in revised rates that are significantly lower than those initially approved in Telecom Regulatory Policy 2011-703." |
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hm
@videotron.ca | reply to sbrook
said by sbrook:Since it has been proven in the US by factual statements that caps and usage charges are about making money and nothing to do with fairness, it's clear that any charges that would bring the 3rd party retail prices anywhere NEAR the incumbent's retail prices are there for anticompetitive reasons and nothing to do with real costs.
That's always been a given. But here, in Canada, the CRTC, under KvF, stated this would affect shareholders and their returns on investment.
He was more concerned with the shareholders which I don't see listed in their mandate, »crtc.gc.ca/eng/backgrnd/brochures/b29903.htm, but nevertheless, that was his call. Shareholder held before and above the people and the public good. And he ran with that.
You are forgetting our Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission history....  We don't need no Americans to have figured that out. We already did years ago. "Forces" stopped it in its track and back-handed us upside the head for daring to affect shareholder value.
What I would really like to see in a competitive marketplace are the indies being able to set the speed profile a person wants.
Don't want or need a 10-meg upload with your 30-meg download? Fine. What would you want? 3-meg upload max? Done. You will save this much per month.
I see no reason why indie's can not further differentiate themselves in this manner. |
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It mean's that cogeco, and bell prices are dropping. It mean's rogers prices are rising. |
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hm
@videotron.ca | reply to TomToronto2
Are you seeing anything good in this?
It's a heck of a lot to digest, but I am not seeing anything that great so far.
Not finished reading it all though, but so far... Nothing. |
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hm
@videotron.ca | reply to hm
LOL I'm not sure if i am reading this right...
Prices are going UP or staying as is.
Most everything that CNOC stated is, denied.
NOTHING is coming down.
Jumping blue eyed Christ. Someone tell me I'm wrong. Please! |
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 dillyhammerA. Good. Start.Premium,MVM
join:2010-01-09
Hamilton, ON
kudos:9
 ·Start Communicat..
·Cogeco Cable
·TekSavvy DSL
·Caneris
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said by Perma:It mean's that cogeco, and bell prices are dropping. It mean's rogers prices are rising.
Cogeco's price reduction is so small it isn't worthy of mention.
Start Communications just got broadsided. Big time.
Mike
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hm
@videotron.ca | Videotron prices are to increase because they were too low? LOL
I wonder if Bell, Rogers and Videotron are still going to offer unlimited now?
How depressing.
Oh well. Shareholder value is what matters most.
*shrug*
So much for the new CRTC chair. He tossed a few carrots and then kicked everyone in the nuts. |
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roccaStart.caPremium
join:2008-11-16
London, ON
kudos:11 | reply to dillyhammer
said by dillyhammer:Start Communications just got broadsided. Big time. And retroactively just to give that extra kick. |
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bt
join:2009-02-26
canada
kudos:1 | reply to hm
said by hm :I wonder if Bell, Rogers and Videotron are still going to offer unlimited now?
Rogers was a "temporary offer" |
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I was so close to switching to start, but with no unlimited plan's in site I'm staying with TSI. Sorry for the bad luck, rocca. I'm in London, I can buy you a beer for the inconvenience? |
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| said by Perma:I was so close to switching to start, but with no unlimited plan's in site I'm staying with TSI. Sorry for the bad luck, rocca. I'm in London, I can buy you a beer for the inconvenience?
You really think Teksavvy is going to offer 30/2 unlimited in Cogeco areas after this decision ?
Edit: Sorry, thought you were talking about Cogeco areas. I'm assuming you're currently going through Rogers infrastructure. |
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I think DSL prices will remain the same to cover the cost of cable cost .. that is what i think! |
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