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silvercat

join:2007-11-07
reply to LastDon

Re: What does the CBB ruling mean to you and me?

said by LastDon:

I think DSL prices will remain the same to cover the cost of cable cost .. that is what i think!

Just wish i could get more than 3 mbit DSL in my area.


Perma

join:2011-12-20
reply to silvercat
said by silvercat:

said by Perma:

I was so close to switching to start, but with no unlimited plan's in site I'm staying with TSI. Sorry for the bad luck, rocca. I'm in London, I can buy you a beer for the inconvenience?

You really think Teksavvy is going to offer 30/2 unlimited in Cogeco areas after this decision ?

And you edited yours.


silvercat

join:2007-11-07
said by Perma:

Who mentioned Cogeco? You should learn to read.

Read my edit.


Perma

join:2011-12-20
said by silvercat:

said by Perma:

Who mentioned Cogeco? You should learn to read.

Read my edit.

read my edit.


TypeS

join:2012-12-17
London, ON
kudos:1
Reviews:
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reply to silvercat
said by silvercat:

said by Perma:

I was so close to switching to start, but with no unlimited plan's in site I'm staying with TSI. Sorry for the bad luck, rocca. I'm in London, I can buy you a beer for the inconvenience?

You really think Teksavvy is going to offer 30/2 unlimited in Cogeco areas after this decision ?

They could, it just won't be as cheap as they or their customers would have liked. Is shitty as the situation was just made, if you can get unlimited service for the same price or a little higher compared to the incumbent from a TPIA, it might be worth it to many. Cogeco still hasnt announced an unlimited add on yet (I doubt they will now).


GOTEKKY_JP

join:2005-12-12
Saint-Laurent, QC
reply to LastDon
said by LastDon:

I think DSL prices will remain the same to cover the cost of cable cost .. that is what i think!

That would be a strategy that some could adopt but their competitors will jump on the chance to offer a better DSL pricing.


rocca
Start.ca
Premium
join:2008-11-16
London, ON
kudos:23
reply to TypeS
said by TypeS:

They could, it just won't be as cheap as they or their customers would have liked.

30Mbps * $25.56/Mbps + $24.98 access = $791.78/mo just for the portion to Cogeco. That doesn't include transport, transit, support, billing, offices, equipment ....

LastDon

join:2002-08-13
reply to hm
time for a stop sell on cable

and that might wake up the cable co. as they do make some serious change on wholesale.


rocca
Start.ca
Premium
join:2008-11-16
London, ON
kudos:23
said by LastDon:

time for a stop sell on cable and that might wake up the cable co. as they do make some serious change on wholesale.

I doubt it, they are jumping up and down for joy right now.

bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
kudos:1
reply to LastDon
said by LastDon:

time for a stop sell on cable

and that might wake up the cable co. as they do make some serious change on wholesale.

None of them would offer wholesale if they weren't required to do so.


eweazel

join:2008-12-09
Etobicoke, ON
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL
said by bt:

said by LastDon:

time for a stop sell on cable

and that might wake up the cable co. as they do make some serious change on wholesale.

None of them would offer wholesale if they weren't required to do so.

But seeing that those who could will be switching to DSL wont it make The Cable co's want to negotiate the prices a bit.

bt

join:2009-02-26
canada
kudos:1
said by eweazel:

said by bt:

None of them would offer wholesale if they weren't required to do so.

But seeing that those who could will be switching to DSL wont it make The Cable co's want to negotiate the prices a bit.

History disagrees. None of them wanted to be competitive with GAS DSL service for 10+ years...


Hrmm

@electronicbox.net
reply to eweazel
What a joke the CRTC is.

ZombieBanner

join:2012-11-14
Chatham, ON
reply to rocca
said by rocca:

said by TypeS:

They could, it just won't be as cheap as they or their customers would have liked.

30Mbps * $25.56/Mbps + $24.98 access = $791.78/mo just for the portion to Cogeco. That doesn't include transport, transit, support, billing, offices, equipment ....

Thats insane, its almost cheaper to lease the customer a dedicated 10Mbps Fibre with SLA.


eweazel

join:2008-12-09
Etobicoke, ON
Reviews:
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reply to bt
said by bt:

said by eweazel:

said by bt:

None of them would offer wholesale if they weren't required to do so.

But seeing that those who could will be switching to DSL wont it make The Cable co's want to negotiate the prices a bit.

History disagrees. None of them wanted to be competitive with GAS DSL service for 10+ years...

Thats true, but Rogers was not bleeding Cable Subscribers the way they are now, and if people could get VDSL at a savings there will be more bleeding on their part. I for cancelled cable TV, and was on Cable internet, before switching back over to DSL after the DNS problem last Christmas. They have lost me completely and I am sure there might be others. But again there is no true competition anyway.


TypeS

join:2012-12-17
London, ON
kudos:1
Reviews:
·TekSavvy Cable
reply to rocca
said by rocca:

said by TypeS:

They could, it just won't be as cheap as they or their customers would have liked.

30Mbps * $25.56/Mbps + $24.98 access = $791.78/mo just for the portion to Cogeco. That doesn't include transport, transit, support, billing, offices, equipment ....

I did say it wouldn't be cheap , maybe I should emphasized we all expected to be a lot cheaper than it was.

So, question for you rocca, at what price point on a package would it make sense to sell some of the higher tiers with unlimited or at least a decent cap like 400-500GB? I can eat up a rate hike from TPIA so long as I can keep using my internet connection and not pay exorbitant prices like @ Rogers. Before the unlimited add on, I'd be looking at $170+/month for defacto unlimited on 35/3 from Rogers.


dillyhammer
START me up
Premium
join:2010-01-09
Scarborough, ON
kudos:10
Reviews:
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·Start Communicat..
Unlimited. LOL.

I'd bet dollars to donuts rocca is driving around town right now buying up all the maximum strength Tums.

The uncontrollable laughter you hear in the background there?

That's Cogeco.

It's little brown envelope day at the CRTC offices today. That would be the snickering.

Consumers in Canada just caught it up the tail pipe.

Mike
--
Cogeco - The New UBB Devil -»[Burloak] Usage Based Billing Nightmare
Cogeco UBB, No Modem Required - »[Niagara] 40gb of "usage" while the modem is unplugged


hm

@videotron.ca
reply to LastDon
said by LastDon:

I think DSL prices will remain the same to cover the cost of cable cost .. that is what i think!

Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing.

DanteX

join:2010-09-09
kudos:1
reply to hm
The lands of Mordor are crumbling and Saurons reign of terror is weakening, soon we will have competition and lower prices to brighten the land for all of our days. lol

The Big guys are going to have to enhance their game and compete for once .

LastDon

join:2002-08-13
reply to hm
said by hm :

said by LastDon:

I think DSL prices will remain the same to cover the cost of cable cost .. that is what i think!

Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing.

Will if they do that, it will be unfair to the DSL users paying costs for cable users.

If the rates go up a lot for users... and I had a company I would just stick to what I had before... DSL and scrap cable for new installs..

But on the other hand how will the rates compare vs the Cable Co's?

that is what we don't know..

example ... if Start offers internet for 52$ and offers 250GB, while rogers offers the same TIER for 52$ and only 100GB... I'd rather go with start ..

It all depends I guess.

and In reality, any fees returned back from BELL, will go to pay for Cable, So the Indies might not have to pay a huge huge chunk.


Hm

@videotron.ca
reply to hm
I like the CRTC chairman's quote:

"Large and small independent service providers now have the certainty they need to continue offering Canadians a choice of innovative and competitive services," said Jean-Pierre Blais, Chairman of the CRTC.

...

The CRTC expects, however, that the final wholesale rates will have a favourable impact on prices charged in the competitive retail market.


Now I have a question for Ebox, Start and Teksavvy.

Dear Marc, Rocca and JP:
Will I see anything favourable and competitive? If so, when should I expect a favourable price impact and alternative to Videotron? Because as is, I don't see it.

Anxiously waiting for your reply so I can finally have a new and competitive ISP besides videotron for 60-meg (w/ the bundle discounts, 10$ unlimited, and retention offer of 30$ off everything)

ty

Boy-o-boy I can't wait.

MaynardKrebs
Heave Steve, for the good of the country
Premium
join:2009-06-17
kudos:4
said by Hm :

I like the CRTC chairman's quote:

"Large and small independent service providers now have the certainty they need to continue offering Canadians a choice of innovative and competitive services," said Jean-Pierre Blais, Chairman of the CRTC.

...

The CRTC expects, however, that the final wholesale rates will have a favourable impact on prices charged in the competitive retail market.


Now I have a question for Ebox, Start and Teksavvy.

Dear Marc, Rocca and JP:
Will I see anything favourable and competitive? If so, when should I expect a favourable price impact and alternative to Videotron? Because as is, I don't see it.

Anxiously waiting for your reply so I can finally have a new and competitive ISP besides videotron for 60-meg (w/ the bundle discounts, 10$ unlimited, and retention offer of 30$ off everything)

ty

Boy-o-boy I can't wait.

When you don't get anything competitive, write Blais and thank him for this innovative and competitive decision on his watch.


rocca
Start.ca
Premium
join:2008-11-16
London, ON
kudos:23
reply to TypeS
said by TypeS:

So, question for you rocca, at what price point on a package would it make sense to sell some of the higher tiers with unlimited or at least a decent cap like 400-500GB?

It's hard to say. With current usage ratios as more people move to streaming and higher capacity feeds, it's roughly a 100GB to 1Mbps conversion, so each 100GB costs $10-$25 depending on who the carrier is, plus transport/transit/etc... still requires much calculation and deliberation. It's pretty hard to swallow the costs the carriers presented and then the guaranteed markup (profit margin) of 40% on top of those already questionable numbers.

lbonnell

join:2013-02-21
so for each 100mbps you are saying it is approx 10,000gb of usage?


hm

@videotron.ca
reply to MaynardKrebs
said by MaynardKrebs:

said by Hm :

I like the CRTC chairman's quote:

"Large and small independent service providers now have the certainty they need to continue offering Canadians a choice of innovative and competitive services," said Jean-Pierre Blais, Chairman of the CRTC.

...

The CRTC expects, however, that the final wholesale rates will have a favourable impact on prices charged in the competitive retail market.


Now I have a question for Ebox, Start and Teksavvy.

Dear Marc, Rocca and JP:
Will I see anything favourable and competitive? If so, when should I expect a favourable price impact and alternative to Videotron? Because as is, I don't see it.

Anxiously waiting for your reply so I can finally have a new and competitive ISP besides videotron for 60-meg (w/ the bundle discounts, 10$ unlimited, and retention offer of 30$ off everything)

ty

Boy-o-boy I can't wait.


When you don't get anything competitive, write Blais and thank him for this innovative and competitive decision on his watch.

I fully plan to. Just waiting for a reply from the indie's I can toss in his face.


TOPDAWG
Premium
join:2005-04-27
Calgary, AB
kudos:3
reply to hm
so I guess there goes all hope of Start offering unlimited then?

Crashrun2003

join:2013-02-10
Basically yes. Unless you wanna pay $700+


TypeS

join:2012-12-17
London, ON
kudos:1
Reviews:
·TekSavvy Cable
reply to rocca
said by rocca:

It's hard to say. With current usage ratios as more people move to streaming and higher capacity feeds, it's roughly a 100GB to 1Mbps conversion, so each 100GB costs $10-$25 depending on who the carrier is, plus transport/transit/etc... still requires much calculation and deliberation. It's pretty hard to swallow the costs the carriers presented and then the guaranteed markup (profit margin) of 40% on top of those already questionable numbers.

Damn that's pretty steep without all other costs. Well hopefully you and the rest of the TPIA's will figure your pricing schemes out. Personally I will go with the provider that offers a high data cap or unlimited over a cheaper rate with lower cap. I hope we can see prices sometime soon, Rogers' 35/3 @ $94 with unlimited option is sort of appealing atm but I will wait until Start & TekSavvy post their aggregate pricings.


rocca
Start.ca
Premium
join:2008-11-16
London, ON
kudos:23
reply to lbonnell
said by lbonnell:

so for each 100mbps you are saying it is approx 10,000gb of usage?

At peak, in practice, yes.

Obviously 100Mbps is capable of much higher usage when sustained, but based on current peak to monthly usage ratios, yes that's about right although not sure where you're going with that particular question since generally you want to calculate in the other direction, ie 100GB = 1Mbps average impact on peak * per Mbps rate = capacity cost.


alienzzz
Kill Bell

join:2011-02-17
Verdun, QC
reply to hm
What kills the DSL deal is the ubiqutous dryloop fee, a perennial fixed cost addition that serves no purpose but makes DSL cost as much as cable despite its now 2x cheaper capacity...