What does the CBB ruling mean to you and me? - Canadian Broadband

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Samgee join:2010-08-02 canada kudos:2	reply to xsbell Re: What does the CBB ruling mean to you and me? said by xsbell: I'm not trying convince anyone that it's a bad deal, my gripe is calling it a 28Mbps plan when you're only going to get 18Mbps when you use it. How about 35/3 for $49.95/month from Start, and they won't rate limit during peak hours. Sure it's only 250GB of usage, but honestly, how many people are going to go over that? Not too many. You have no gripe since they are calling it exactly what it is. They aren't being misleading, and based on what I read in these forums and others many of the other providers users are seeing speed reductions during peak times, only they are paying for full speeds that aren't there. Many suspect we may see some price changes or cap reductions from Start based on recent comments by it's operator who has said they were previously operating at a loss expecting pricing in the recent ruling to come down, when costs instead went up. For now if you are not worried about usage, then that is not a bad deal from start (still $6 more a month). We'll see if it lasts. It doesn't work for me because it's not unlimited, which is far more important to me than an extra 7 down.
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Guspaz Guspaz Premium,MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC kudos:20	reply to Acanac Inc said by Acanac Inc: I will not get into the max rate limit since it has already been discuses in the previous posts. In regards to your question if 250GB is enough? In my opinion not even close. If your an over the top IPTV client you can easily expect to exceed 250GB. Over the last several months I have been consistently using over 1TB per month. This is with 3-4 -STB's in the house. Usually 3 since one is in debug mode. Why not offer a higher tier with no throttling for an additional fee? -- Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org
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zorxd join:2010-02-05 Quebec, QC Reviews: ·Acanac ·voip.ms	said by Guspaz: Why not offer a higher tier with no throttling for an additional fee? it would make more sense to offer an higher tier, period. Like a 60 Mbps cable rate-limited to 30 Mbps during peak hours. It make no sense to throttle all day to 30 Mbps when you could offer 60 Mbps most of the time for the same price.
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dgass join:2007-09-27 Etobicoke, ON kudos:1 Reviews: ·Rogers Hi-Speed ·Radiant Communi.. ·TekSavvy DSL	reply to Acanac Inc said by Acanac Inc: I will not get into the max rate limit since it has already been discuses in the previous posts. In regards to your question if 250GB is enough? In my opinion not even close. If your an over the top IPTV client you can easily expect to exceed 250GB. Over the last several months I have been consistently using over 1TB per month. This is with 3-4 -STB's in the house. Usually 3 since one is in debug mode. I've read this thread over, and I must ask has anyone mentioned that this rate limit that is in place does it also reduce lag spikes? I've been with Teksavvy DSL for years. But family and friends chose to go with Tek Cable and they seem to get lag spikes in the evenings. So for all us gamers out there that are gaming during prime time and NOT streaming I think this network management is PERFECT. On top of it you would enjoy a lower monthly cost to other indies for an unlimited account. My connection is the 25/10 VDSL with Tek unlimited with static IP pretty $$. I have not seen any ripple or lag spikes but cable users sure seem to.
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pick picking @videotron.ca	reply to Guspaz said by Guspaz: Why not offer a higher tier with no throttling for an additional fee? Why though? If people want that they can go elsewhere. There are other resellers. Why do they need to offer this?
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Acanac Inc Premium join:2007-03-05 Mississauga, ON	reply to Guspaz said by Guspaz: said by Acanac Inc: I will not get into the max rate limit since it has already been discuses in the previous posts. In regards to your question if 250GB is enough? In my opinion not even close. If your an over the top IPTV client you can easily expect to exceed 250GB. Over the last several months I have been consistently using over 1TB per month. This is with 3-4 -STB's in the house. Usually 3 since one is in debug mode. Why not offer a higher tier with no throttling for an additional fee? Technically it's already offered through our parent company »www.distributel.ca/en/category.a···Internet Our current plans are tailored at a specific subset of clientele. We can't be everything to everyone.
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Acanac Inc Premium join:2007-03-05 Mississauga, ON	reply to dgass said by dgass: said by Acanac Inc: I will not get into the max rate limit since it has already been discuses in the previous posts. In regards to your question if 250GB is enough? In my opinion not even close. If your an over the top IPTV client you can easily expect to exceed 250GB. Over the last several months I have been consistently using over 1TB per month. This is with 3-4 -STB's in the house. Usually 3 since one is in debug mode. I've read this thread over, and I must ask has anyone mentioned that this rate limit that is in place does it also reduce lag spikes? I've been with Teksavvy DSL for years. But family and friends chose to go with Tek Cable and they seem to get lag spikes in the evenings. So for all us gamers out there that are gaming during prime time and NOT streaming I think this network management is PERFECT. On top of it you would enjoy a lower monthly cost to other indies for an unlimited account. My connection is the 25/10 VDSL with Tek unlimited with static IP pretty $$. I have not seen any ripple or lag spikes but cable users sure seem to. This is one of biggest advantages of using Rate limiting over line saturation. Simply put if it's done correctly lag is avoided. Now in regards to the Cable service. In some areas it has nothing to do with the independent ISP. The problem may be accuring even before it reaches the ISP's interconnects. If that is the case it's up-to to incumbent to resolve the issue.
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rogerstv @teksavvy.com	And that's why I just switched to Acanac, I hover between 250gb to 300 thanks to Netflix and kids in the house and don't want to look over my should in case there's a spike one month and I'm paying .50/gb Robbers charges .75/gb. This is the perfect storm to shake up the industry and Acanac became the logical choice. Sure I'm stuck with 1GB upload but this provider doesn't seem to have complaints for congestion /performance issues. Now I have a year to see what the industry does. This is a golden opportunity for bell to get more fiber out there and steal customers away from Robbers as well since DSL costs have been adjusted down. Notice the incumbants try to entice with new speeds while constantly reducing the caps because they don't want our money going to Netflix and Hulu south of the border. Robbers and BHELL created this problem themselves with constant price hikes, $70/month is ridiculous for watching commercials.
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Davesnothere No-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages join:2009-06-15 START&Cogeco kudos:6	reply to hm said by hm : said by Davesnothere: Mayhaps we got trolled. You got trolled. I played along. Yeah, Yeah, right.... And if our friendly neighbourhood character feels so strongly against Acanac, they ought to change their screen name, and then hang on tight for when the OTHER Indie ISPs soon decide to announce similar network management policies. Yes, coming soon to a DSLR thread near you.... I know of one other IISP who has posted that they are considering a similar stragety, so there MUST be others discussing it in their back rooms as we post here.
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Davesnothere No-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages join:2009-06-15 START&Cogeco kudos:6 2 edits	reply to d_source said by d_source: To each their own. I'd prefer an unlimited and somewhat throttled internet vs an unthrottled but capped internet any day of the week.... said by d_source: ....We need to support 'unlimited' [monthly usage] more than anything else.... While I personally do not share your feelings/needs (I'm OK with caps as long as the caps are not TOO stupidly low), I DO agree with those who say that if IISPs want to sell unlimited monthly usage, that they will have to the limit momentary bandwidth (aka the speed) for some of the time. We simply cannot have everything at once here, and those who still think that we can just do not understand the dynamics of how it all works. Sorry, but it's true, folks. The only thing remaining to be decided is just how much our IISPs feel that they will need to compromise one factor to achieve another, and which factor it is that each figures to be more important to them and their customers. -- We have only 2 things about which to worry : (1) That things may never get back to normal (2) That they already HAVE ! - START Forum »Start Communications Or you can still use Canadian Broadband.
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Davesnothere No-BHELL-ity DOES have its Advantages join:2009-06-15 START&Cogeco kudos:6 1 edit	reply to Acanac Inc said by Acanac Inc: ....Our current plans are tailored at a specific subset of clientele. We can't be everything to everyone. BINGO !!! Same as I said just above, that we cannot have the best of all things at the same time, AND keep the price reasonable too. And if an IISP tried to, it would fail, just as some other IISPs who figure that they can may well learn (and still others have already).
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rednekcowboy join:2012-03-21 Reviews: ·ELECTRONICBOX	reply to hm I do have to say, with Paul's comments here earlier on in the week/last weekend, I was extremely excited about the release of the rates, particularly cable in Quebec. Your the perfect example for the post above. Potentially our 60Mbps service we be just as cost effect as our competitors 30Mbps service. At worst you will get 30Mbps during peak periods and 60Mbps 19 hours out of the day. The choice to make is a clear based on the assumptions above. I have to say, I'm awfully disappointed now. The 30Mbps package for Acanac goes at $65/month if you are going month to month (which is what I would be doing). I can hardly see them matching my 30 Mbps/500GB capped package with Ebox with a cheaper 60Mbps Unlimited package when they can't do that with a 30Mbps Unlimited package. Had they been just $5/month cheaper, I might have been able to convince the accountant(aka my wife) to switch, but there is no way in hell now.
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zorxd join:2010-02-05 Quebec, QC	With Acanac you have to go for yearly terms.
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rednekcowboy join:2012-03-21 Reviews: ·ELECTRONICBOX	It's still the same as what I'm paying now with Ebox, then you have the fees and everything on top of that for switching. I'd be looking at an $800 bill and just can't afford to do that right now. To be honest, until all the rate limiting plays out, even if I had $800 to spend, I wouldn't. I could potentially see myself going for 3 or 6 months after I'm comfortable and have had it for a couple of months.... I'm just really disappointed as I was gearing up for a 60mbps package for the same or less, as Paul indicated in my quote above, as my Ebox package. Quite obviously, there is no way they will be doing that if they can't even match the current package I'm on now... Not saying their prices aren't good, just saying I expected a whole lot more with the hype Paul was playing up.
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InvalidError join:2008-02-03 kudos:5	reply to Acanac Inc said by Acanac Inc: This is one of biggest advantages of using Rate limiting over line saturation. Simply put if it's done correctly lag is avoided. You could run with saturated links and still have no lag (on sensitive traffic) if there was proper QoS tagging and priority-based queuing both ways throughout the network and incumbents honored QoS tagging within their network. Of course, there is no such support in current GAS/TPIA tariffs. This is just one more of those things that would be possible if incumbents could be convinced to do things properly the modern way rather than stick to ancient and inefficient ways of doing things.
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hm @videotron.ca	reply to rednekcowboy I dunno what hype you are referring to. He pretty much told it as it is and was upfront about it. Maybe also because you are newish here? as said further up in this topic, everything stated here is what he also stated about 2 years ago. So many people are already aware of the throttling (if and when they throttle). And everyone already knows the dollar jumpers (a lot of his clients) go for the yearly contract savings. It's not my cup of tea, but each to their own. As you stated, you have a choice and it offers a choice.
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rednekcowboy join:2012-03-21 Reviews: ·ELECTRONICBOX	said by hm : I dunno what hype you are referring to. He pretty much told it as it is and was upfront about it. Maybe also because you are newish here? as said further up in this topic, everything stated here is what he also stated about 2 years ago. So many people are already aware of the throttling (if and when they throttle). And everyone already knows the dollar jumpers (a lot of his clients) go for the yearly contract savings. It's not my cup of tea, but each to their own. As you stated, you have a choice and it offers a choice. I don't know how many times I have to say it, hell I even quoted it. He said that, and I quote yet again, "our 60Mbps service we be just as cost effect as our competitors 30Mbps service" and we went on in that conversation and expanded on it. What I'm disappointed in is the fact that can't even match the price I'm paying now for a 30Mbps, how are they going to offer a 60 Mbps for less than that? Again, I'm not saying Acanac is not good, I'm just saying I'm very disappointed in the offerings, as Paul led me to believe that there was going to be a huge shocker of a price. Now, that is the third time I've said it, do I really need to say it again?
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hm @videotron.ca	said by rednekcowboy: Now, that is the third time I've said it, do I really need to say it again? What did you say three times? You don't like contracts? psst, Dave, »Re: What does the CBB ruling mean to you and me?
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Samgee join:2010-08-02 canada kudos:2	reply to hm Well, until we see the official prices from everyone we can't really come to any conclusions yet about comparisons.
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rednekcowboy join:2012-03-21 Reviews: ·ELECTRONICBOX	reply to hm said by hm : said by rednekcowboy: Now, that is the third time I've said it, do I really need to say it again? What did you say three times? You don't like contracts? psst, Dave, »Re: What does the CBB ruling mean to you and me? Have a few too many tonight? Generally you know how to read, though you seem to be having some difficulty.....
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