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Re: CRTC Decision said by jasmo34:-Can Bell appeal that CRTC decision on their CBB rates, and throw everything into disarray again on the DSL side?
In my opinion, i think Bell would be smart to just "work" with the independent ISP's (become a good partner, so both sides can profit). Bell can steal a lot of customers from Cogeco ($25 per mbps CBB rates versus around $10 (i think ?) mbps CBB rates from Bell) -- doesn't matter if they are Bell retail customers or IISP customers -- Bell still makes money. If Bell is willing, it could end up being a good arrangement (like it has been in the past between them and the Independents). |
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kudos:6 | said by silvercat:said by jasmo34:-Can Bell appeal that CRTC decision on their CBB rates, and throw everything into disarray again on the DSL side?
In my opinion, I think Bell would be smart to just "work" with the independent ISP's....
"And so goes the ebb and flow of customer churn...."
Also, if Bell were to try to 'play nice' with the IISPs for the next while at least, besides that they might lure some folks away from IISP Cable TPIA, those customers' current IISP would still make a cut if the customer still involved THEM in the equation, rather than an alternate IISP.
IISPs could play one incumbent against another, as to where they would steer their end-customers (and customers in fast enough service areas might switch back to DSL if install fees were low enough), which might well induce the Cablecos to blink on CBB pricing, no matter WHAT they had already convinced the CRTC that their justifiable expenses are.
And there is nothing to say that a Cableco cannot even now negotiate a less expensive 'Off-Tariff' deal with an IISP, even for AGG-POI, and some of them might be open to the idea if they were gently nudged by tangible 'bean-countable' customer loss projections/observations, rather than if forced by the CRTC.
Money talks, and all that....
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kudos:6 | reply to silvercat
said by silvercat:....it would be nice having an "unlimited" package, where a user could download all they want off-peak -- and then have a set amount of GB on-peak (0 GB / 100 GB / 150 GB or 200 GB), and if they approach or start to go over that limit, then throttle the download speed during on-peak. At least that's one solution. Or give them the choice of having their speed throttled, or paying $0.40 - $0.50 / GB for extra usage during on-peak.
Those ideas might work, and so might some of your following posts's variations.
Of course the questions which Jasmo next raised would need to be answered first, to see what would be technologically possible of all this, regarding account management.
Gotta wait for 'Da Boss' to weigh in again.... |
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Rocca, I would like to see at least one cheap package from Start in Red territory. Not everybody needs unlimited data and blazing speeds at all times! I would like something with a monthly cap AND throttling at peak hours. It would be sweet to have unlimited usage there at night, but that would just be a bonus.
Is it possible to have a package like that? Something like 25/2, with 150GB cap, throttled to 12Mbps during peak hours, and unlimited usage between 2AM and 11AM for $29 
Is it possible? |
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kudos:11 | said by tom_tom:Something like 25/2, with 150GB cap, throttled to 12Mbps during peak hours, and unlimited usage between 2AM and 11AM for $29 Is it possible? Um, that might be a little aggressive. |
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kudos:11 | reply to silvercat
said by silvercat:In my opinion, i think Bell would be smart to just "work" with the independent ISP's For a few months there seems to be a genuine renewed interest in this, it's a little early to tell how fruitful it'll be but it's good to see a change in direction. |
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kudos:11 | reply to jasmo34
Almost everything is possible, some of the scenarios pitched require very specialized equipment, some of the scenarios can be done with existing routers and edge devices. With Rogers currently per-user anything is painful, but that will change in about a month. With Cogeco it's easier, but individual speed buckets are pretty tricky and generally you create policing classes for groups of users. Ie, we could create an 'unlimited user' class that shared x amount of bandwidth for everyone in it, but to limit a subset of users to specific individual speeds is a lot more difficult on cable (and very easy on dsl). |
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kudos:11 | reply to ReGenesis
We try to avoid saturation, if it does happen then everyone has fair share at the pipes, however statistically speaking the people with faster speeds will still get more bits through than people with slower speeds. |
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kudos:11 | reply to jasmo34
said by jasmo34:Can Bell appeal that CRTC decision on their CBB rates, and throw everything into disarray again on the DSL side? It's very unlikely, for reasons I can't say due to NDA.
said by jasmo34:-Are some of the cable connection rates, at least with the Rogers new speeds (25/2, 35/3, 45/4), still being applied on an 'interim' They are final. Even though the 2011-703 mentioned them as the old speeds they are actually referring to the new CBB based speeds in reality, ie nothing has changed for the disaggregated TPIA other than a 6 month extension for migration. |
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kudos:6 | said by rocca:said by jasmo34:-Are some of the cable connection rates, at least with the Rogers new speeds (25/2, 35/3, 45/4), still being applied on an 'interim' They are final. Even though the 2011-703 mentioned them as the old speeds they are actually referring to the new CBB based speeds in reality, ie nothing has changed for the disaggregated TPIA other than a 6 month extension for migration.
Which simply put, means that IISPs such as TSI have the option of procrastinating the announcement of their Red package changes a bit longer, as long as they are not ready to serve areas where they would need AGG-TPIA ?
And all IISPs could hold off on announcing DSL package changes if they choose to, as the Bell CBB rates went down ?
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Time of use wouldn't work for me at all. I'm rarely online after 9pm and before 5am. |
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| said by hagbard72:Time of use wouldn't work for me at all. I'm rarely online after 9pm and before 5am.
I'm pretty much in the same situation.
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said by hagbard72:Time of use wouldn't work for me at all. I'm rarely online after 9pm and before 5am.
If you're downloading large files there are programs that you can use to manage your downloads and start/stop at specific times. |
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said by JCohen:said by hagbard72:Time of use wouldn't work for me at all. I'm rarely online after 9pm and before 5am.
If you're downloading large files there are programs that you can use to manage your downloads and start/stop at specific times. Ideally you'd need a secondary lower power/noise server or laptop maybe, because we wouldn't want people running their powerful gaming rigs overnight to torrent small files @ 2am...
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Hate to say it, but the Wife and I agree that any significant price increase or decrease in usage allowed will mean us either moving to a lower tier, or cancelling altogether....... |
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said by hagbard72:Time of use wouldn't work for me at all. I'm rarely online after 9pm and before 5am. That ought to work just fine, actually. Prime/peak bandwidth times are most likely 7pm-11pm, give or take an hour. So if you're online between 5am and 9pm, then that's only 2 hours inside "prime/peak time".
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said by Davesnothere:Which simply put, means that IISPs such as TSI have the option of procrastinating the announcement of their Red package changes a bit longer, as long as they are not ready to serve areas where they would need AGG-TPIA ? And don't want the higher speeds. |
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said by Davesnothere:Which simply put, means that IISPs such as TSI have the option of procrastinating the announcement of their Red package changes a bit longer, as long as they are not ready to serve areas where they would need AGG-TPIA ? said by TSI Marc :On the Rogers side, ... For rates, whatever changes that may happen, would only happen after we migrate everybody [to AGG-TPIA]. Once we get done with everything else, we'll look at it all more closely. |
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kudos:2 | Prices are up for TSI: »[Cable] NEW RATES - Cogeco
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