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Cartel
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join:2006-09-13
Chilliwack, BC
kudos:2

[Info] Upgrade your Hotmail inbox to Outlook.com??

Whats going on?
Are they getting rid of Hotmail and Live?

Man M$ is making everything suck.



Cartel
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Chilliwack, BC
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Awe crap if you click outlook.com with your Hotmail open it automatically logs you in and takes you hostage!

Just got this email:

Hello, and welcome to Outlook...

Thanks for upgrading to Outlook
The Outlook.com Team

*ya thanks for highjacking me a****les



JohnInSJ
Premium
join:2003-09-22
Aptos, CA
reply to Cartel

Everyone was getting migrated to outlook.com from hotmail.com. Your email address doesn't change, just the website.
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Cartel
Premium
join:2006-09-13
Chilliwack, BC
kudos:2
reply to Cartel

Well it looks like dog puke and I'm not happy about it.
They are ruining the whole system.



Alcohol
Premium
join:2003-05-26
Climax, MI
kudos:4

I think it's a lot better. And outlook aliases are great.
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JohnInSJ
Premium
join:2003-09-22
Aptos, CA
reply to Cartel

said by Cartel:

Well it looks like dog puke and I'm not happy about it.
They are ruining the whole system.

The great thing about free, is it's free.
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My place : »www.schettino.us


rfhar
The World Sport, Played In Every Country
Premium
join:2001-03-26
Buicktown,Mi
reply to Cartel

I have found it better an much easier to use.



izy
Premium,MVM
join:2000-09-21
endless loop
kudos:2

2 recommendations

reply to Cartel

said by Cartel:

Well it looks like dog puke and I'm not happy about it.
They are ruining the whole system.

Here's what I would do if I were in your...sandals...

1. Call up MS and threaten you are taking your free email address to Gmail.
2. Sit back and wait for MS to send you 1 year free Outlook.com access for your troubles.
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"Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them." Einstein


Dustyn
Premium
join:2003-02-26
Ontario, CAN
kudos:11
reply to Cartel

said by Cartel:

Whats going on?
Are they getting rid of Hotmail and Live?

Man M$ is making everything suck.

Where have you been...
»Microsoft Says Outlook Security Will Be Better Than Gmail
»Hotmail replaced by Outlook.com in Microsoft shake-up
»[Info] Compare: Outlook vs. Gmail vs. Hotmail ...
»[Outlook] Outlook.com with Outlook 2007 Client IMAP?
»Changes to Hotmail?
»[WIN7] Outlook.com why is messenger signing in?
»Hotmail to outlook - Very stupid ui, doesn't work in firefox
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UmmaGumma

join:2011-06-19

I refused to use HM due to all the spam and other problems.

So far, none of that with OL.



NotTheMama
What Would Earl Do?

join:2012-12-06
reply to Alcohol

said by Alcohol:

And outlook aliases are great.

Are they different somehow from the aliases in Hotmail?

Does outlook.com have fewer/smaller ads than HoTMaiL? (I've had a Hotmail account since before Microsoft bought 'em. Haven't actually used it since the mid '90s because of the spam and having moved on to Yahoo and then Gmail, and I won't be leaving Gmail unless Google really screws it up more so than they already have with the Plus and the disabled "new compose experience" [which really sucks]... but that's what Thunderbird is for.)
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"Face piles of trials with smiles; it riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave."


rfhar
The World Sport, Played In Every Country
Premium
join:2001-03-26
Buicktown,Mi
reply to Cartel

I have had a hotmail account for years, well over a decade and never had a spam problem. Spam goes to my yahoo account, which I have encouraged as it is my junk account for anyone who in my opinion does not need my e-mail address.



NotTheMama
What Would Earl Do?

join:2012-12-06

Back around '95/'96 I could easily get a couple dozen spam messages in a day. Someone had apparently "harvested" the Hotmail directory, and there was no spam control to speak of. Since I only needed email at work, it was no hardship to stop using Hotmail entirely, for several years.

From the looks of it, Hotmail outlook.com has been Win8ified much the way Gmail was Plusinated--some useful email features with a bunch of other crap thrown in.
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"Face piles of trials with smiles; it riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave."



Octavean
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
kudos:1
reply to Cartel

We knew this was coming well in advance of the change. I don't see why anyone is cought off guard by this. A few days in advance of this I had my hotmail.com email opened right next to outlook.com and was looking at what was different.

I don't think it's anything to get worked up about personally,....unless one simply likes getting worked up,.....or going out of their way looking for an ax to grind,....


UmmaGumma

join:2011-06-19
reply to NotTheMama

said by NotTheMama:

Does outlook.com have fewer/smaller ads than HoTMaiL?

So far, I haven't seen any ads.

I can't find a way to make it auto-refresh though. I have to refresh manually to check for new mail.


StillLearn
Premium
join:2002-03-21
Streamwood, IL
Reviews:
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2 edits
reply to Alcohol

said by Alcohol:

I think it's a lot better. And outlook aliases are great.

I looked it up, and they are useful. The 5 to 15 quantity limit is low. I use the Yahoo (provided with my internet) equivalent "AddressGuard" AKA "temporary email addresses" which allows something like 300. If one gets compromised, just delete the one. Make sure you never use the underlying address for anything except access and maybe with a particular user that you feel unlikely to get compromised. Also, I can use POP3 access too, which I am suspecting that Outlook mail would not provide.

With 5 I might use one for 1. banks etc, 2.friends who send non-Bcc emails to 50 of their close friends, 3. careful friends, 4.rebates and other short-term use. 5. Paypal, since some sellers put you on lists.

However I also found this which, if accurate, would reduce the advantage of outlook aliases. »www.eightforums.com/browsers-mai···ain.html


NotTheMama
What Would Earl Do?

join:2012-12-06

Hotmail has had free POP access for awhile now, and MS keeps saying that we "won't lose anything with outlook.com" (though I'll believe it when I see it). Those Yahoo features you're referring to--POP access, "AdressGuard" disposable addresses--are Mail Plus features ($20/yr).
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"Face piles of trials with smiles; it riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave."



StillLearn
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join:2002-03-21
Streamwood, IL
Reviews:
·AT&T Midwest

said by NotTheMama:

Hotmail has had free POP access for awhile now, and MS keeps saying that we "won't lose anything with outlook.com" (though I'll believe it when I see it). Those Yahoo features you're referring to--POP access, "AdressGuard" disposable addresses--are Mail Plus features ($20/yr).

Several Mail Plus accounts are provided by my internet provider because Yahoo provides the mail service, although the sub-accounts are each administered through one main account. Each of the accounts including the sub-accounts can have its own set of AddressGuard addresses. The 5 to 15 on Outlook mail will still be very useful to those with other providers. It takes no extra work to receive. The address used appears in the To header, so you know which address was used.

The only addresses that I deactivated due to spams so far are PayPal twice, and a reputable electronics distributor that I deactivated when I got a single .ru email offering Rolex watches.

I did not know about the free POP access.


Bach
Premium
join:2002-02-16
Flint, MI
reply to Cartel

I switched to outlook.com when it was introduced just to see what was there. Found nothing compelling.

Not a fan of web interfaces for email, anyway, opting instead for the Windows Live Mail client to pull my Hotmail account.

Had the account since 1999. Spam hadn't been a problem until last fall and now I get over 100 per day.



NotTheMama
What Would Earl Do?

join:2012-12-06
reply to StillLearn

Yeah, Verizon used to provide Mail Plus as part of their deal to have Yahoo Mail for its customers, then they dropped the Plus for just the standard Mail--not really a problem since I only used it as an address for Verizon to use to send out notices about whatever (never use an ISP-provided address for anything "real").

The underlying outlook.com addresses being "revealed on hover" of the alias sounds like the same thing Gmail was doing for something or other feature they offered for "sending as" (though I forget the actual details). Well, just another feature I never used much if at all.
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"Face piles of trials with smiles; it riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave."



ZZZZZZZ
Premium
join:2001-05-27
PARADISE
kudos:1
reply to Cartel

What's the big deal?

Windows live and Thunderbird still work as before with my hotmail addy.
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Sarcasm is the body’s natural defense against stupidity.



NotTheMama
What Would Earl Do?

join:2012-12-06

So, POP access is confirmed to still work... good.



Octavean
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-31
New York, NY
kudos:1
reply to Cartel

Yeah,....

My iPad and iPhone don't seem to have any problem with the move.



NotTheMama
What Would Earl Do?

join:2012-12-06
reply to ZZZZZZZ

Figured I'd take a look at the latest Thunderbird while I was playing around with Postbox... sad to think that Tb "died" without ever having moved the Address Book to a tab, and no "ThunderButton" as had been planned (and that app menu button ain't it). Well, Postbox is a better deal even if it does cost a little--not nearly as many annoyances and more in the way of helpful features (for Gmail to be sure). Figure I'll go ahead and "upgrade" Hotmail to outlook.com before the weekend is out--gonna happen anyway, might as well be now.
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"Face piles of trials with smiles; it riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave."



Alcohol
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join:2003-05-26
Climax, MI
kudos:4
Reviews:
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reply to UmmaGumma

said by UmmaGumma:

said by NotTheMama:

Does outlook.com have fewer/smaller ads than HoTMaiL?

So far, I haven't seen any ads.

I can't find a way to make it auto-refresh though. I have to refresh manually to check for new mail.

Ads are on the right side of the page. They dont show up if you have adblock.

I really like the unlimited storage in outlook and how it separates my amazon orders into a new folder.

Too bad i can't get the emails on my android phone. This is the only reason i won't switch from gmail.
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couttsj

join:2010-07-29
Vernon, BC
reply to Cartel

Having worked past the issue that this new Outlook always wants me to upgrade my browser, I have found a couple of other issues that I have had to deal with.

The first is that using Mozilla, I have no access to options. For as often as I need to access options, I can use IE.

All my contacts disappeared. Hotmail automatically added addresses used in forwarding mail to the contacts list. Outlook doesn't, and I had trouble finding out how to add to the contact list. What I eventually did was send an email from the account that I wanted to add, to my Hotmail account. I could then add that name to the contacts list and edit it. What a pain.



JohnInSJ
Premium
join:2003-09-22
Aptos, CA
reply to Alcohol

said by Alcohol:

Too bad i can't get the emails on my android phone. This is the only reason i won't switch from gmail.

IMAP... someday. In the meantime doesn't android support EAS?
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NotTheMama
What Would Earl Do?

join:2012-12-06
reply to couttsj

Accessing Hotmail was the only thing I ever used IE for--seemed the "fair" thing to do. In fact, Hotmail had gotten to the point that I actually liked the way it looked--layout/design, colors/themes, etc. I had been seriously considering paying the yearly fee just to get rid of the ads (being "fair" again). But now that Hotmail has been replaced by the new M$ design initiative (the best design is no design), I can stop considering--ain't gonna happen.
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"Face piles of trials with smiles; it riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave."


couttsj

join:2010-07-29
Vernon, BC

said by NotTheMama:

Accessing Hotmail was the only thing I ever used IE for--seemed the "fair" thing to do. In fact, Hotmail had gotten to the point that I actually liked the way it looked--layout/design, colors/themes, etc. I had been seriously considering paying the yearly fee just to get rid of the ads (being "fair" again). But now that Hotmail has been replaced by the new M$ design initiative (the best design is no design), I can stop considering--ain't gonna happen.

The advantage of using Mozilla is that with the No-Script addon, you can selectively block the scripts that supply the advertising. The other advantage is that when you click on a link in an email, it brings up a new tab automatically.


Alcohol
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Climax, MI
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reply to JohnInSJ

said by JohnInSJ:

said by Alcohol:

Too bad i can't get the emails on my android phone. This is the only reason i won't switch from gmail.

IMAP... someday. In the meantime doesn't android support EAS?

The main account is still hotmail so i can't get any alias emails.
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I found the key to success but somebody changed the lock.