kovy
join:2009-03-26
kudos:8 | reply to HiVolt
Re: Sagemcom defective bridge mode and port forwarding... said by HiVolt:Yep sagemcom cant do more than 37-38mbps in pppoe passthru. I have also tested this...
I wonder if Bell is aware of this.
Sucky thing the old Cellpipe also can't do more than 42-43 in both routed or bridged mode either.
Wow... even the Cellpipe... this is horrible. |
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| Same issue here. I also noticed before I upgraded to 50 that my 25 line would only get 23/8.5 with passthrough but 25/10 with DHCP. With the 50/10 plan I get 33/9 with passthrough.
Not being able to route internally is very annoying for me as my phone switched between cell network and home wifi and I used to use a single DDNS address to connect but now that address will not work on my own wifi. |
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kovy
join:2009-03-26
kudos:8 | reply to kovy
Well I'm using a Huawei HG610 VDSL2... getting full speed in bridge mode. So Sagemcom is really horrible... |
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kovy
join:2009-03-26
kudos:8 | said by yym7890:can you use it on 25/10 plan in QC?
Well it works on those 7330 slam, not sure on the stinger one. |
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join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
kudos:15 | If its broadcom chipset it likely wont work on a stinger... those require an Ikanos based modem, either the cellpipe or sagemcom.
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kovy
join:2009-03-26
kudos:8 | said by HiVolt:If its broadcom chipset it likely wont work on a stinger... those require an Ikanos based modem, either the cellpipe or sagemcom.
eurfff... poor them. |
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said by HiVolt:If its broadcom chipset it likely wont work on a stinger... those require an Ikanos based modem, either the cellpipe or sagemcom.
So what chipset does the sagemcom have in it? The sagemcom works on both lucent and alcatel vdsl slams. If your third party modem has teh same chipset as the sagemcom, wouldn't it stand to reason, that it would work on both of Bells slam vendors?
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Toronto, ON
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| Sagemcom has an Ikanos chipset in it. The exact name was mentioned on the forums by someone that took one apart. The Cellpipe also has a Ikanos chipset in it, however it's older and does not support ADSL/ADSL2, while the Sagemcom does have that fallback capability.
Believe there have been lots of searches by people to find a modem that would work on the Stingers... By my account, only one person found a very expensive, now discontinued modem. And that modem required a router that could set a VLAN ID on its own router, as that modem was a basic bridge.
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The only non-Bell supplied modem I know that works on Stingers is the ZyXEL P-870M-I1 v2. The modem itself supports upto 30a, but the Stinger line module is limited to 12a. It may still be possible to get one of these modems, but you need a serial interface and lot of patience to get it working. It's a straight-through ethernet bridge device and runs 50/10M at full speed: »speedtest.net/result/2515723493.png
Unfortunately this is about the best speed Bell can do with Stingers. Gigabit DSL is only theoretical. And besides Broadcom all xDSL vendors went bankrupt. It doesn't really make sense to upgrade to more disposable VDSL2 junk in a high density area when for around the same cost per customer you can do FTTH. The latest VDSL chips only go upto 200/100 with vectoring at 150 meters. And bonding is not practical because the ports are expensive, using two pairs cuts your DSLAM density in half! There is not much money in copper since GPON became standard. Just pray it comes soon.
said by urbang33k:So what chipset does the sagemcom have in it? The sagemcom works on both lucent and alcatel vdsl slams. If your third party modem has teh same chipset as the sagemcom, wouldn't it stand to reason, that it would work on both of Bells slam vendors? It's FXS60IF1 to be specific, paired with a IKF6850 CPU: »www.ikanos.com/wp-content/upload···v112.pdf. The Sagemcom chip does both ADSL2+ and VDSL2 up to 17a. The Zyxel chip does VDSL2 only up to 30a. |
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join:2012-03-03
Woodbridge, ON | Hi Guys,
My question is a little bit off-topic but since you mentioned Bell's DSLAM I'm wandering if anybody knows the full name, or much better a link to the spec of those non-interoperable and problematic remotes called Stingers? |
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1 edit | said by s_tux_g:Hi Guys,
My question is a little bit off-topic but since you mentioned Bell's DSLAM I'm wandering if anybody knows the full name, or much better a link to the spec of those non-interoperable and problematic remotes called Stingers?
It's a Lucent Stinger CR (compact remote).
It's not the remote that's the problem though, it's the CO-4 chipset on the line card. The CO-5 doesn't have the same problems, but it's limited to 17a and only does ADSL/VDSL2. |
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s_tux_g
join:2012-03-03
Woodbridge, ON | said by s_tux_g:
Hi Guys,
My question is a little bit off-topic but since you mentioned Bell's DSLAM I'm wandering if anybody knows the full name, or much better a link to the spec of those non-interoperable and problematic remotes called Stingers?
It's a Lucent Stinger CR (compact remote). It's not the remote that's the problem though, it's the CO-4 chipset on the line card. The CO-5 doesn't have the same problems, but it's limited to 17a and only does ADSL/VDSL2. |
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join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
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said by BliZZardX:Unfortunately this is about the best speed Bell can do with Stingers. Gigabit DSL is only theoretical. And besides Broadcom all xDSL vendors went bankrupt. It doesn't really make sense to upgrade to more disposable VDSL2 junk in a high density area when for around the same cost per customer you can do FTTH. The latest VDSL chips only go upto 200/100 with vectoring at 150 meters. And bonding is not practical because the ports are expensive, using two pairs cuts your DSLAM density in half! There is not much money in copper since GPON became standard. Just pray it comes soon. Yeah, the areas that are served by Stingers now are SOL as far as ever getting upgraded to something beyond that's still copper.
Bell will continue to deploy VDSL2 to new areas with 7330s though, since those same SLAMs are used for FTTH now and can be (relatively) easily converted to FTTH if they ever decide to rip out the copper and replace it with GPON instead. There's still lots of areas they want to get Fibe TV into over the copper network, and the rollout won't be "finished" until 2015.
You can also say what you want about bonding, but they're already doing it in the US and Bell is planning on doing the same thing here. |
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kovy
join:2009-03-26
kudos:8 | said by Gone:said by BliZZardX:Unfortunately this is about the best speed Bell can do with Stingers. Gigabit DSL is only theoretical. And besides Broadcom all xDSL vendors went bankrupt. It doesn't really make sense to upgrade to more disposable VDSL2 junk in a high density area when for around the same cost per customer you can do FTTH. The latest VDSL chips only go upto 200/100 with vectoring at 150 meters. And bonding is not practical because the ports are expensive, using two pairs cuts your DSLAM density in half! There is not much money in copper since GPON became standard. Just pray it comes soon. Yeah, the areas that are served by Stingers now are SOL as far as ever getting upgraded to something beyond that's still copper. Bell will continue to deploy VDSL2 to new areas with 7330s though, since those same SLAMs are used for FTTH now and can be (relatively) easily converted to FTTH if they ever decide to rip out the copper and replace it with GPON instead. There's still lots of areas they want to get Fibe TV into over the copper network, and the rollout won't be "finished" until 2015. You can also say what you want about bonding, but they're already doing it in the US and Bell is planning on doing the same thing here. What do you mean those slam are used for FTTH? |
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GonePremium
join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
kudos:3 | Well, it's not an actual SLAM but it's the same idea. You need to swap the copper cards for fibre cards or something like that, but the underlying equipment is all still there. |
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kovy
join:2009-03-26
kudos:8 | said by Gone:Well, it's not an actual SLAM but it's the same idea. You need to swap the copper cards for fibre cards or something like that, but the underlying equipment is all still there.
Hmmm... I'm not sure it's that easy... |
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GonePremium
join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
kudos:3 | Compared to building an underlying neighbourhood fibre infrastructure and deploying it to existing houses, swapping out the line cards on an access module would most likely be the easiest part of the endeavour. |
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kovy
join:2009-03-26
kudos:8 | said by Gone:Compared to building an underlying neighbourhood fibre infrastructure and deploying it to existing houses, swapping out the line cards on an access module would most likely be the easiest part of the endeavour.
It's not a simple of swapping out line cards... |
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GonePremium
join:2011-01-24
Fort Erie, ON
kudos:3 | Fair enough. If it's not a matter of swapping out shelves and then laying the fibre infrastructure to the home, what else is involved? |
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