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xsbell

join:2008-12-22
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VDSL2/ADSL2+ Modem for EVLT-K cards (ALU 7330)

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I just picked up a Huawei HG610 (wired) modem/router ($62 CAD shipped) with Broadcom's BCM6368 chipset which works great with the EVLT-K line cards in the ALU 7330 ISAM.
There is also the HG622 model which has 802.11n and a USB port. I'm only on 6Mbps GAS (7551/1280 ) so I can't test IPTV functionality yet, but it should work without a problem. (You may have to clone the Sagemcom's MAC address)

Hacking related info about this model and others similar to it, »huaweihg612hacking.wordpress.com/

There is a small bug in reporting the line stats on a VDSL2 profile, attenuation shows 0dB but there is a fix posted on the site above, including a Unix port of DMT for the BCM6368 chipset. Almost identical line stats as the BCM96338 (ST516) in ADSL2+ mode, and higher SnR levels on a VDSL2 profile.

yym7890

join:2007-10-01
Montreal, QC
Can it use on BELL 25/7 50/10 plan in Quebec?


xsbell

join:2008-12-22
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said by yym7890:

Can it use on BELL 25/7 50/10 plan in Quebec?

Yes. It should work on any Broadcom based LT card, but I don't know about the ELIM-V2-48 (Ikanos chipset) in the Lucent Stingers.


Mike2009

join:2009-01-13
Ottawa, ON
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Good price.

If anyone else is running one of these on a VDSL profile I'd like to see your stats and hear how it's performing. I'm on ADSL2+ but considering moving up to 25/10 on VDSL now that rental modems are no longer obligatory.


squircle

join:2009-06-23
Oakville, ON
reply to xsbell
I used a ZyXEL VDSL2 modem with a BCM6368 and it's very unstable with an Ikanos chipset on the other side. It'll keep sync but most attempts to transmit any meaningful amount of data drop the connection.

That said, I managed to purchase an Ikanos-based ZyXEL VDSL2 modem from the last production run ever (cost me quite a bit, too) and it works pretty well. I'm not sure if you can find any of those around (P870M-I1 V2), but they work with the Stingers.


xsbell

join:2008-12-22
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said by Mike2009:

Good price.

If anyone else is running one of these on a VDSL profile I'd like to see your stats and hear how it's performing. I'm on ADSL2+ but considering moving up to 25/10 on VDSL now that rental modems are no longer obligatory.

I'm only on a 7551/1280 VDSL2 profile (don't ask ), but it has been very stable with no problems at all.

Like I mentioned above, there is a small bug in reporting the stats on VDSL2 profiles, but it doesn't affect performance in any way. I've also seen reports of people syncing at 108Mbps (the max) and having absolutely no problems at all.


Mike2009

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Excellent. Maybe I'll pick one up.


xsbell

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Just a small update.

On a 7551/1280 VDSL2 profile, my attainable rate was calculated to be around 34688 Kbps, but I was able to sync at a max of 45097.

Bell also fed new pairs to the peds over a year ago, I'm still on an old pair, but I think that if I did switch and they moved me to a new pair, I could attain the 50Mbps I supposedly qualify for.

edit: It's been sent to someone who already has 50Mbps and FibeTV to do some more testing.


drewfar

join:2002-10-01
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reply to xsbell
Would my ISP be able to tell me what type of linecard I'm on?

I've got one of the new Sagemcom modems, completely locked down and would love to free myself of it and it's random disconnection and no bridge mode.

[edit]I'm with Electronicbox[/edit]


xsbell

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said by drewfar:

Would my ISP be able to tell me what type of linecard I'm on?

I've got one of the new Sagemcom modems, completely locked down and would love to free myself of it and it's random disconnection and no bridge mode.

[edit]I'm with Electronicbox[/edit]

No, just the type of SLAM (OSLAM/FSLAM/RDSLAM/etc.), but if FibeTV is available to you (or you're sure you're not a on Stinger), then you should be an ALU 7330, which would work with both EVLT-K and VSEM-C cards.


squircle

join:2009-06-23
Oakville, ON

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said by xsbell:

No, just the type of SLAM (OSLAM/FSLAM/RDSLAM/etc.), but if FibeTV is available to you (or you're sure you're not a on Stinger), then you should be an ALU 7330, which would work with both EVLT-K and VSEM-C cards.

I wouldn't be sure of that. FibeTV is available on Stingers and 7330s alike, but if you can get FibeTV and 50/10, you're probably on a 7330.


joeybee
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They can still put you on the 50/10 profile with FibeTV on a stinger. It will just go down when the tv's are on. That's what mine does.
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Mike2009

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said by joeybee:

They can still put you on the 50/10 profile with FibeTV on a stinger. It will just go down when the tv's are on. That's what mine does.

That's not very practical.

morisato

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very few people will get 50/10 on a stinger distance is key there so likely if your on 50/10 Good chance your on a 7330 or a stinger is within 200m of your house.
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HiVolt
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said by morisato:

very few people will get 50/10 on a stinger distance is key there so likely if your on 50/10 Good chance your on a 7330 or a stinger is within 200m of your house.

Upstream line rate 13004 kbps
Bearer Downstream payload rate 53944 kbps
Downstream attainable payload rate 59972 kbps
VDSL Estimated Loop Length 886 ft
G.Hs Estimated Near End Loop Length 738 ft
G.Hs Estimated Far End Loop Length 1029 ft

Pretty much maxed out on a stinger, but its doable at up to 1000ft/300m if the line is in good shape.
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joeybee
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I'm also around 1000ft. Can't remember the exact number. The stingers can apparently only do about 55 so ya we're maxing them out. Would love to be switched to a 7330 though.
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xsbell

join:2008-12-22
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Some more results.

On a 75Mbps profile, the original Sagemcom had an attainable sync rate of 103Mbps down and 29Mbps up on this loop. With the HG610, attainable shows 126Mbps down, 35Mbps up, with higher margins.
When bridged, the HG610 retains full line speed (with no hicups whatsoever) while the crippled Sagemcom can only do ~37Mbps (in PPPoE passthrough).

# xdslcmd info --show
xdslcmd: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 0
Max: Upstream rate = 35496 Kbps, Downstream rate = 126540 Kbps
Path: 0, Upstream rate = 11328 Kbps, Downstream rate = 75006 Kbps

Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex A
VDSL2 Profile: Profile 17a
TPS-TC: PTM Mode
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 20.0 21.3
Attn(dB): 0.0 0.0
Pwr(dBm): 14.5 -8.4
VDSL2 framing
Path 0
B: 159 31
M: 1 1
T: 24 48
R: 16 10
S: 0.0679 0.0896
L: 20745 3751
D: 355 191
I: 176 42
N: 176 42
Counters
Path 0
OHF: 629855 119919
OHFErr: 0 0
RS: 60465914 3089940
RSCorr: 0 0
RSUnCorr: 0 0

Path 0
HEC: 0 0
OCD: 0 0
LCD: 0 0
Total Cells: 148505761 0
Data Cells: 11513609 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0

ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 21 21
AS: 1032

Path 0
INP: 1.00 2.00
PER: 1.62 8.59
delay: 6.00 5.00
OR: 137.51 59.53


Speedtest while streaming an HD movie from Netflix,



HiVolt
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Attainable is just a mathematical estimate... since the chipsets in the Sagemcom and your Huawei modem are different, the firmware itself may "estimate" max attainable in a different way. I've seen this with working with many standard DSL modems over the years...

Anyway, the 17A profile is max 100meg. In order to go higher you need 30A which supports 200meg.
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xsbell

join:2008-12-22
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said by HiVolt:

Attainable is just a mathematical estimate... since the chipsets in the Sagemcom and your Huawei modem are different, the firmware itself may "estimate" max attainable in a different way. I've seen this with working with many standard DSL modems over the years...

Indeed, but they are also based on margins (SnR), which are higher on the HG610.

simsin0

join:2008-01-06
reply to xsbell
so it seems to work well with bell fttn dsl connections?

I might be switching to 50/10

How much does it matter what kind of equipment I am connected to on bells side?

kovy7

join:2009-03-26
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said by simsin0:

so it seems to work well with bell fttn dsl connections?

I might be switching to 50/10

How much does it matter what kind of equipment I am connected to on bells side?

It works with 7330 SLAM, probably wont work with stingers.

simsin0

join:2008-01-06
How would I determine which one im on?

kovy7

join:2009-03-26
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said by simsin0:

How would I determine which one im on?

Pretty much no way... would need to ask your ISP to see what equipement you're on.

mactalla

join:2008-02-19
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reply to xsbell
said by xsbell:

I just picked up a Huawei HG610 (wired) modem/router

Does that thing have screw mount holes? I can't find a pic of the bottom.


xsbell

join:2008-12-22
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said by mactalla:

said by xsbell:

I just picked up a Huawei HG610 (wired) modem/router

Does that thing have screw mount holes? I can't find a pic of the bottom.

It does.

mactalla

join:2008-02-19
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Excellent! I think I'll pick one up and hope it works on Telus' network.


xsbell

join:2008-12-22
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said by mactalla:

Excellent! I think I'll pick one up and hope it works on Telus' network.

I believe Telus uses the SLAMs and line cards, but you might want ask TierX See Profile over in the Telus forum just to make sure.

mactalla

join:2008-02-19
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I'll poke him and see what he says. If that is the case, would that indicate that this modem will likely work, or likely not work?


xsbell

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said by mactalla:

I'll poke him and see what he says. If that is the case, would that indicate that this modem will likely work, or likely not work?

It would definitely work.

mactalla

join:2008-02-19
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Looks like TierX hasn't been on for nearly 3 months. I pulled the trigger and will report back after I get my hands on it.