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[Weather] Feb 26 & 27 Storm potential ON and PQ

Just a heads up there is Serious chatter on accuweather forums . Models indicate systems approaching could dump 20 to 30 cm of snow in Southern Ont and points east.

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WOCN11 CWTO 242030
SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT ISSUED BY ENVIRONMENT CANADA AT 3:30 PM EST
SUNDAY 24 FEBRUARY 2013.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT FOR:
=NEW= CITY OF TORONTO
=NEW= WINDSOR - ESSEX - CHATHAM-KENT
=NEW= SARNIA - LAMBTON
=NEW= ELGIN
=NEW= LONDON - MIDDLESEX
=NEW= SIMCOE - DELHI - NORFOLK
=NEW= DUNNVILLE - CALEDONIA - HALDIMAND
=NEW= OXFORD - BRANT
=NEW= NIAGARA
=NEW= CITY OF HAMILTON
=NEW= HALTON - PEEL
=NEW= YORK - DURHAM
=NEW= HURON - PERTH
=NEW= WATERLOO - WELLINGTON
=NEW= DUFFERIN - INNISFIL
=NEW= GREY - BRUCE
=NEW= BARRIE - ORILLIA - MIDLAND
=NEW= BELLEVILLE - QUINTE - NORTHUMBERLAND
=NEW= KINGSTON - PRINCE EDWARD
=NEW= PETERBOROUGH - KAWARTHA LAKES
=NEW= STIRLING - TWEED - SOUTH FRONTENAC
=NEW= BANCROFT - BON ECHO PARK
=NEW= BROCKVILLE - LEEDS AND GRENVILLE
=NEW= CITY OF OTTAWA
=NEW= GATINEAU
=NEW= PRESCOTT AND RUSSELL
=NEW= CORNWALL - MORRISBURG
=NEW= SMITHS FALLS - LANARK - SHARBOT LAKE
=NEW= PARRY SOUND - MUSKOKA
=NEW= HALIBURTON
=NEW= RENFREW - PEMBROKE - BARRY'S BAY
=NEW= ALGONQUIN
=NEW= BURK'S FALLS - BAYFIELD INLET.

POTENTIAL WINTER STORM TUESDAY NIGHT AND WEDNESDAY.

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==DISCUSSION==
A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM OVER WESTERN TEXAS IS FORECAST TO INTENSIFY AND
MOVE NORTHEASTWARD TO PASS NEAR SOUTHERN ONTARIO TUESDAY NIGHT AND
WEDNESDAY. SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF PRECIPITATION ARE POSSIBLE WITH
THIS SYSTEM.

AT THIS POINT, THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF UNCERTAINTY REGARDING WHICH
AREAS WILL SEE MOSTLY RAIN OR SNOW, AS TEMPERATURES WILL BE FAIRLY
CLOSE TO THE FREEZING MARK. ENVIRONMENT CANADA IS CLOSELY MONITORING
THE SITUATION. THIS STATEMENT WILL BE UPDATED TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION AS IT BECOMES AVAILABLE REGARDING THE EVOLUTION OF THIS
POTENTIAL WINTER STORM.

PLEASE MONITOR THE LATEST FORECASTS AND WARNINGS FROM ENVIRONMENT
CANADA AT WWW.WEATHEROFFICE.GC.CA

END

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said by koira:

Just a heads up there is Serious chatter on accuweather forums . Models indicate systems approaching could dump 20 to 30 cm of snow in Southern Ont and points east.

I typically don't follow what EC says, but I do know that the Americans aren't calling anything for our neck of the woods - yet. Could be a whole lot of snow, or a whole lot of rain/freezing rain. I doubt we'll see anyone, including Environment Canada, starting to throw around potential accumulation numbers, their type and anything more than an SWS until tomorrow afternoon at the very soonest.
Walter Dnes
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It looks like there will be snow for the GTA. Latest models (subject to change every 6 hours ) indicate approx 15 to 30 cm. The lowest amounts will be on the lakeshore, and the highest amounts somewhere in York region, with a gradient in between. There's still a lot of uncertainty about how much rain will be mixed in. It could be anything from wet heavy snow-only to a sloppy mix. Note; if you are an adult male, do NOT attempt to shovel wet heavy snow. That's begging for a heart attack.

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said by Walter Dnes:

The lowest amounts will be on the lakeshore, and the highest amounts somewhere in York region, with a gradient in between.

Translation: the highest accumulations in the entire country will be in Wolfie's driveway.

If that happens I'm going to do my imitation of a bear and hibernate until spring.

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said by Walter Dnes:

It looks like there will be snow for the GTA. Latest models (subject to change every 6 hours ) indicate approx 15 to 30 cm.

EC is taking a much more conservative view than what you're saying with their own latest statement.
quote:
WOCN11 CWTO 250936
Special weather statement updated by Environment Canada at 4:36 AM
EST Monday 25 February 2013.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Special weather statement for:
City of Toronto
Windsor - Essex - Chatham-Kent
Sarnia - Lambton
Elgin
London - Middlesex
Simcoe - Delhi - Norfolk
Dunnville - Caledonia - Haldimand
Oxford - Brant
Niagara
City of Hamilton
Halton - Peel
York - Durham
Huron - Perth
Waterloo - Wellington
Dufferin - Innisfil
Grey - Bruce
Barrie - Orillia - Midland
Belleville - Quinte - Northumberland
Kingston - Prince Edward
Peterborough - Kawartha Lakes
Stirling - Tweed - South Frontenac
Bancroft - Bon Echo Park
Brockville - Leeds and Grenville
City of Ottawa
Gatineau
Prescott and Russell
Cornwall - Morrisburg
Smiths Falls - Lanark - Sharbot Lake
Parry Sound - Muskoka
Haliburton
Renfrew - Pembroke - Barry's Bay
Algonquin
Burk's Falls - Bayfield Inlet.

Potential winter storm Tuesday night and Wednesday.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
==discussion==
A low pressure system over Texas is forecast to intensify and move
northeastward to pass near Southern Ontario Tuesday night and
Wednesday. Significant amounts of precipitation are likely with this
system. However, there is still a great deal of uncertainty
regarding which areas will see mostly rain or snow, as temperatures
will be fairly close to the freezing mark.

Current indications suggest that precipitation will begin Tuesday
afternoon as rain over areas south of a line from Sarnia to St
Catharines. The precipitation will change over to wet snow by early
Tuesday evening and the snow will spread northeastward to South
Central Ontario by late Tuesday evening and to Eastern Ontario by
Wednesday morning. Some areas, especially to the west and northwest
of Lake Ontario and including the Greater Toronto area, could see
snowfall amounts as high as 15 cm through Wednesday morning with this
system. However, there is still considerable uncertainty as to the
precipitation phases, and if precipitation falls as rain instead, or
if the snow is too wet and it melts when it contacts the ground,
these snowfall totals could be considerably less. Areas near the
Lake Ontario shoreline are also likely to have lower amounts due to
mixing with rain.

Environment Canada is closely monitoring the situation.
This statement will be updated to include additional information as
it becomes available regarding the evolution of this potential winter
storm.

Please monitor the latest forecasts and warnings from Environment
Canada at www.weatheroffice.gc.ca.

End
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said by Gone:

said by Walter Dnes:

It looks like there will be snow for the GTA. Latest models (subject to change every 6 hours ) indicate approx 15 to 30 cm.

EC is taking a much more conservative view than what you're saying with their own latest statement.

Actually, what I said agrees with EC.
said by Walter Dnes:

There's still a lot of uncertainty about how much rain will be mixed in. It could be anything from wet heavy snow-only to a sloppy mix.

This is basically the same thing as EC is saying. Note the bolded parts

==discussion==
A low pressure system over Texas is forecast to intensify and move
northeastward to pass near Southern Ontario Tuesday night and
Wednesday. Significant amounts of precipitation are likely with this
system. However, there is still a great deal of uncertainty
regarding which areas will see mostly rain or snow, as temperatures
will be fairly close to the freezing mark.

They're not being more conservative in snowfall amounts; they being more conservative in how far they forecast amounts. Here's a direct quote from the SWS...

Some areas, especially to the west and northwest
of Lake Ontario and including the Greater Toronto area, could see
snowfall amounts as high as 15 cm through Wednesday morning with this
system.

The snow/rain/slop/whatever is NOT going to stop Wednesday morning. EC's own forecast for Toronto, as of 3:30 PM today »text.www.weatheroffice.g ··· 3&unit=m says...

Tuesday night: Cloudy. Wet snow or rain beginning late in the evening then changing to snow overnight. Snowfall amount 5 to 10 cm except 2 cm along the lakeshore. Wind east 40 km/h gusting to 60. Low zero.

Wednesday: Snow or rain. High plus 2.

Thursday: Periods of snow or rain. Low minus 1. High plus 2.

EC's detailed forecast, with amounts, only goes through Tuesday night into Wednesday morning. Their generic forecast beyond Wednesday morning has snow/rain or periods of snow/rain. Also, the Toronto city forecast does not cover Markham/Vaughan/Richmond Hill/Newmarket/Barrie, etc. See »text.www.weatheroffice.g ··· ml?id=on for a list of area forecasts in Ontario.

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EC said up to 15cm. How 30cm is in agreement with Environment Canada is beyond me. Must be that New Math.

I'm not a met, but I know two of them who would be laughing right now.

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I am about 50 miles east of Amarillo, TX and it is pretty bad here.
I 40 in Oklahoma, Texas and East New Mexico is closed, there is about 6 - 8 inches of ice, and wind is blowing probably 50 mph.
If you guys get this tomorrow, good luck.
According to USA Today, this is most snowfall in Texas in a 24 hour period ever

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Accuweather is calling for 30-45 cm between tomorrow night & Wednesday night!!
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said by Gone:

EC said up to 15cm.

Sigh. Did you not read the part that I bolded? Here it is again, capitalized.

...could see snowfall amounts as high as 15 cm ***THROUGH WEDNESDAY MORNING***

EC's forecast for Toronto calls for snow/rain Thursday and periods of snow/rain Friday. That's ***IN ADDITION TO*** the amount through Wednesday morning. EC is only being conservative in not specifying the amount that will fall past Wednesday morning. I realize that things can change in 48 hours, and respect their decision to not attempt to forecast precip amounts that far ahead. Again, I repeat, there is no contradiction between...

•10-15 cm by Wednesday morning
•and 15-30 cm by Friday evening
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A lot will depend on the track of the storm. It's been sufficiently warm around here that some of the snow will invariably melt when it hits the ground. If there's more rain than snow that'll cut down on snowfall amounts.

Still, I'm not looking forward to dealing with a slushy mess.

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Yeah, the Americans have been more concerned about the potential for wet heavy snow to bring down branches rather than the accumulation itself.

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2-day Storm system for Toronto has now being upgraded from mixed bag precipitation to 30 cm of snow, with havier amounts locally... @ 6:00am Tueday morning.

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said by Xstar_Lumini:

2-day Storm system for Toronto has now being upgraded from mixed bag precipitation to 30 cm of snow, with havier amounts locally... @ 6:00am Tueday morning.

Says who? I read the statement that was issued by EC at 4:52AM this morning and it says 10-15cm of snow possible by Wednesday morning if the storm moves on a northerly track, and "up to 20cm possible" if it moves southerly. Where are you (or anyone else) getting 30cm from?
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Snowfall Warning for the GTA is up.
quote:
184
WWCN11 CWTO 261605
SEVERE WEATHER BULLETIN
ISSUED BY ENVIRONMENT CANADA
AT 11:05 AM EST TUESDAY 26 FEBRUARY 2013.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
WATCHES/WARNINGS IN EFFECT FOR SOUTHERN ONTARIO...

SNOWFALL WARNING FOR:
=NEW= CITY OF TORONTO
=NEW= CITY OF HAMILTON
=NEW= HALTON - PEEL
=NEW= YORK - DURHAM
=NEW= HURON - PERTH
=NEW= WATERLOO - WELLINGTON
=NEW= DUFFERIN - INNISFIL.

HEAVY SNOW OVERNIGHT INTO WEDNESDAY MORNING.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
==DISCUSSION==

A LARGE MOISTURE LADEN LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM FROM TEXAS HAS REACHED
MISSOURI AND IS TRACKING NORTHEAST TOWARDS NORTHERN OHIO.
PRECIPITATION WELL IN ADVANCE OF THIS WINTER STORM HAS REACHED
NORTHERN OHIO AND WILL MOVE INTO SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO THIS
AFTERNOON, THEN INTO THE REGIONS EXTENDING FROM SOUTHERN LAKE HURON
TO THE GREATER TORONTO AND HAMILTON AREAS THIS EVENING.

THE PRECIPITATION WILL START OUT AS VARIOUS SLOPPY MIXTURES OF RAIN
AND WET SNOW AT FIRST. HOWEVER AS THE STORM CENTRE GETS CLOSER,
EXPECT A CHANGEOVER TO ALL SNOW OVERNIGHT ACROSS THE REGIONS AS
THE TEMPERATURE DROPS TO THE FREEZING MARK. THE CHANGEOVER TO ALL
SNOW WILL BE DELAYED THOUGH IMMEDIATELY ALONG THE SHORELINE OF LAKE
ONTARIO AS THE MILD WATERS THERE WILL HELP TO KEEP THERMOMETERS JUST
ABOVE FREEZING FOR A LITTLE LONGER THAN FURTHER INLAND OR OVER
HIGHER GROUND.

THE SNOW WILL COME DOWN QUITE HEAVY AT TIMES ESPECIALLY OVERNIGHT
INTO WEDNESDAY WITH PEAK SNOWFALL RATES OF 2 TO 5 CM PER HOUR DURING
THE MOST INTENSE PART OF THIS STORM. TOTAL SNOWFALL AMOUNTS OF 15
TO 20 CENTIMETRES ARE LIKELY BY NOON ON WEDNESDAY, ALTHOUGH AMOUNTS
NEAR THE LAKE ONTARIO SHORE WILL BE LESS.

THIS STORM WILL LIKELY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON TRAVEL
ESPECIALLY WEDNESDAY MORNING. DRIVING CONDITIONS WILL DETERIORATE
QUICKLY ONCE THE SNOW BEGINS. VISIBILITY MAY BE REDUCED TO LESS THAN
250 METRES IN VERY HEAVY SNOW. UNTREATED ROADS WILL QUICKLY
BECOME SNOW COVERED AND SLIPPERY. TRAVEL PLANS SHOULD BE ALTERED
ACCORDINGLY.

ENVIRONMENT CANADA IS CLOSELY MONITORING THIS LARGE TEXAS LOW
AND MAY ISSUE SNOWFALL WARNINGS FOR OTHER REGIONS OF SOUTHERN
ONTARIO AS REQUIRED.

REFER TO YOUR LOCAL PUBLIC FORECAST FOR FURTHER DETAILS.

END/OSPC

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said by Gone:

said by Xstar_Lumini:

2-day Storm system for Toronto has now being upgraded from mixed bag precipitation to 30 cm of snow, with havier amounts locally... @ 6:00am Tueday morning.

Says who? I read the statement that was issued by EC at 4:52AM this morning and it says 10-15cm of snow possible by Wednesday morning if the storm moves on a northerly track, and "up to 20cm possible" if it moves southerly. Where are you (or anyone else) getting 30cm from?

One of the voices.

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bright and sunny in London right now.

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bright and sunny in London right now.

Is here too. It is not supposed to start until late tonight.

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Wonderful here, gassed/started the blower just in case.

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Yeah, it's absolutely beautiful here right now. The never-ending winter grey of Fort Erie is an ever so slightly brighter version of it today.

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I am already planning to work with no pants on from home tomorrow. I could make it in easily as it is not that far but I do not think it is worth the hassle especially when I can work with no pants on from home.
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said by I_H8_Spam:

Wonderful here, gassed/started the blower just in case.

I'm getting the feeling this storm may be more "flinging slop" than "blowing snow".
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Looking at radar forecasts it appears the weather will not arrive until well into the evening here in the GTA.
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Just perfect. Class trip to go skating was cancelled during the last storm and now tomorrow will probably be cancelled. Premonition of Final Destination 6 sending me a message?

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As long as the airport is clear by 04:30 on Friday, the weather can do whatever!
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said by donoreo:

I am already planning to work with no pants on from home tomorrow. I could make it in easily as it is not that far but I do not think it is worth the hassle especially when I can work with no pants on from home.

Whether I can make it in to work tommorow or not will depend on the condition of the road in front of my condo. Assuming the city actually gets off their ass and plows it, I should be able to make it in

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Whole lotta rain all afternoon down here in Leamington/Windsor.
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said by Gone:

said by Xstar_Lumini:

2-day Storm system for Toronto has now being upgraded from mixed bag precipitation to 30 cm of snow, with havier amounts locally... @ 6:00am Tueday morning.

Says who? ... Where are you (or anyone else) getting 30cm from?

Frankie say, that's who.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· KRnohgEU

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Oh. Well then. 30cm it is.