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Mark Shuttleworth Addresses Ubuntu Privacy Issues


Mark Shuttleworth Addresses Ubuntu Privacy Issues: Is It Enough?
- by Swapnil Bhartiya:

Ubuntu faced stiff criticism from bodies like EFF and FSF over the data leak and privacy concern due to the way Dash handles local searches.

Despite requests from users and bodies like EFF and FSF, Canonical doesn't seem to be making this feature opt-in under any circumstances.... But the company, which is founded by a security expert who created Thawte, seems to be taking some steps to address concerns raised by EFF.



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Common Mark, common Jono, you guys need to get with it. This is an opportunity to shine. An opportunity to listen, and think. Statements like
"Erm, we have root. You do trust us with your data already."
doesn't inspire confidence. It shows how much you take our trust for granted. It shows that you have reached the point where you are serving your ego, rather than your users. I love ubuntu, and I have no real issue with the Amazon searches being included. It's Linux. I can turn things off, and customize however I want. What I have a problem with is, your BS "we don't take your concerns seriously" attitude. You're right on the edge, the edge of something big. You are about to take ubuntu, and Linux in general to a new level, but this issue may make or break you. How this end up, is up to you.
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NO, it is not enough! Local searches should not be going out, to Canonical, 3rd Party, to anyone.

There is some confusion, but the fact is no one (including Richard Stallman) has any problem with Canonical gathering user data and displaying ads when local searches are conducted.

I have a huge problem with this.

I used to have one machine that ran Ubuntu. No more.
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First of all, anyone who says Stallman has no problem with it, is a strait up liar. Stallman has a problem with just about everything.

I use ubuntu, I love ubuntu. I personally have no real issue with the default behaviour. I usually tweak a bit after install anyway, and it's not a bid deal to disable this "functionality." Now if I found that I was still being tracked after I thought I disabled it, I'd have a real problem. I'd drop ubuntu too. That would be an ultimate betrayal of trust.

I just don't want to see them be dismissive of the user base. People like you should be heard, and taken into seriously.

Yea Stallman.... can be somewhat ignored. He's one of those people. I'm glad he's there because while he represents the fringe, he helps to balance those on the other fringe. I am more in line with him, than say the likes of Steve Jobs.
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I think this article does a pretty good job of explaining the situation as it is.
It is a little disconcerting to see all the grammar errors riddled throughout the article. Too many online news sites seem to find having a decent editor passé.

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I have a problem with having to manually turn on "anonymous mode" for my OS. And the fact that Facebook is one of their 3rd parties would make me stop using Ubuntu just for that alone if I actually still used Ubuntu.

This company is slowly turning into a clone of Microsoft. It's too bad really.


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And there are many people who feel as you do. I can understand that in order to continue doing what they are doing Canonical is ultimately going to have to be profitable. Leaving it on by default will maximize the number of people using this revenue generating functionality. They're not a charity. Red Hat gave up on us desktop users a long time ago. Ubuntu innovation has been the driving force for all distros, and Open Source in general. Many distros are desperately searching for revenue streams. Have they stepped over the line? Perhaps. And if so, they deserve a smack-down. But reasonable people can disagree as to exactly where that line is. Stallman says, this was a business decision. Richard is looking at the larger picture, but as ubuntu being in a teachable moment. A teachable moment for all distros. "We must make them stop." "The deterrent force of the communities rejection of malicious functionalitys is so strong that you can be pretty confident that it[gnu/linux distros] won't even try to spy on you."
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said by chrisretusn:

NO, it is not enough! Local searches should not be going out, to Canonical, 3rd Party, to anyone.

There is some confusion, but the fact is no one (including Richard Stallman) has any problem with Canonical gathering user data and displaying ads when local searches are conducted.

I have a huge problem with this.

said by Rexter:

First of all, anyone who says Stallman has no problem with it, is a strait up liar. Stallman has a problem with just about everything.

 
Swapnil Bhartiya (author of article) may have confused "core of the problem" with "any problem".

Free Software Foundation: Richard Stallman - Ubuntu Spyware: What to do?

said by Richard Stallman :
But not always. Ubuntu, a widely used and influential GNU/Linux distribution, has installed surveillance code. When the user searches her own local files for a string using the Ubuntu desktop, Ubuntu sends that string to one of Canonical's servers. (Canonical is the company that develops Ubuntu.)

This is just like the first surveillance practice I learned about in Windows. My late friend Fravia told me that when he searched for a string in the files of his Windows system, it sent a packet to some server, which was detected by his firewall. Given that first example I paid attention and learned about the propensity of "reputable" proprietary software to be malware. Perhaps it is no coincidence that Ubuntu sends the same information.

Ubuntu uses the information about searches to show the user ads to buy various things from Amazon. Amazon commits many wrongs (see »stallman.org/amazon.html); by promoting Amazon, Canonical contributes to them. However, the ads are not the core of the problem. The main issue is the spying. Canonical says it does not tell Amazon who searched for what. However, it is just as bad for Canonical to collect your personal information as it would have been for Amazon to collect it.



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I'm simply responding to the article. As for my self I have an issue with both the data being collect and ads. It is bad enough that I have to deal with this crap when searching or using the Internet with my browser. I take issue with anyone who thinks that can collect data regarding what I search for locally, especially when they don't tell me about it. Actually I do not particularly like any data collection on what I search for. I do not need my user experience enhanced with tailored ads, I block them anyway.

I have made my choice not to use Ubuntu. Just like Windows, Ubunu has been banned from my house. I never cared for it anyway, the one install I had was my daughter's netbook. I would never use it. In fact I'm not to keen on any *buntu flavored distribution and currently only have one *buntu flavored installation in use on my son's desktop computer.
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said by chrisretusn:

I'm simply responding to the article. As for my self I have an issue with both the data being collect and ads. It is bad enough that I have to deal with this crap when searching or using the Internet with my browser. I take issue with anyone who thinks that can collect data regarding what I search for locally, especially when they don't tell me about it. Actually I do not particularly like any data collection on what I search for. I do not need my user experience enhanced with tailored ads, I block them anyway.

I completely agree.
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I'm surprised there's not more outrage over this. It's an amazingly intrusive action to put this code in there and a giant fuck you to the user community by refusing to take it out.

It's exactly this sort of "we know what'e best" or "because we can" or "don't worry your pretty, little head" attitude from other companies that has driven people to Open Source in the first place.

No amount of good Canonical is supposed to have done excuses this behavior.

Signed,

A loyal Slackware user


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said by silbaco:

This company is slowly turning into a clone of Microsoft.

Not even close.

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said by No_Strings:

I'm surprised there's not more outrage over this. It's an amazingly intrusive action to put this code in there and a giant fuck you to the user community by refusing to take it out.

It's exactly this sort of "we know what'e best" or "because we can" or "don't worry your pretty, little head" attitude from other companies that has driven people to Open Source in the first place.

No amount of good Canonical is supposed to have done excuses this behavior.

Signed,

A loyal Slackware user

I couldn't agree more. Say hello to Ubuntu's founder, Mark Gates....
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