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jc100

join:2002-04-10

1 recommendation

Well now people have a legal out...

They've read the material, spent 35 to protest their innocence (open router, etc), and thus when the MPAA / RIAA try to sue, have a ground to argue they didn't know until informed.

I highly doubt any ISPS are going to cut the cord. They aren't about losing money.



elios

join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO

Mediacom already does after 3 DMCA letters not even proof you did any thing JUST the letters
TOTALLY couldnt abuse that get some one kicked off nope not at all...


silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA

1 recommendation

reply to jc100

Saying you have an open router will very possible just result in a loss of $35. They don't care. They are tracking strikes by account, not person.


jc100

join:2002-04-10

1 recommendation

Yes, but you've spent 35 dollars to profess innocence. ISP "exonerates you", and the MPAA / RIAA have now lost grounds to sue I'm guessing. After all, open router, hacked, etc, the ISP buys your excuse for the "fee".

If taken to court, bring said I was found innocent due to X reason. 35 dollars is a lot cheaper than the 1000's a lawyer costs to make the same case.


silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to elios

Quite honestly, I know 1 person who got their connection cut under Mediacom's 3 strikes. And they were completely guilty. I don't know of any instances of false strikes and I know of a lot of people with Mediacom. Most people don't even know it exists. That's how transparent it is. It took Torrentfreak years to figure it out.



elios

join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO

a DMCA letter is not proof of guilt
its not proof of any thing really



88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

1 recommendation

reply to jc100

said by jc100:

They've read the material, spent 35 to protest their innocence (open router, etc), and thus when the MPAA / RIAA try to sue, have a ground to argue they didn't know until informed.

I highly doubt any ISPS are going to cut the cord. They aren't about losing money.

If you leave your router open you kind of deserve to get your internet cut off. Anyone spending $35 to protest is an idiot. It's called 6 strikes and then NOTHING happens so why bother spending $35? And I'll be $1,000,000 not one single innocent person gets flagged 6 times in a row. EVER. WILL NOT HAPPEN.

silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA

1 recommendation

reply to jc100

But the whole point of the 6 strikes is to cut down on lawsuits. The RIAA has supposedly agreed not to sue customers of participating ISPs, although we will have to see for sure.



NormanS
I gave her time to steal my mind away
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:11
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·SONIC.NET

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reply to 88615298

said by 88615298:

And I'll be $1,000,000 not one single innocent person gets flagged 6 times in a row. EVER. WILL NOT HAPPEN.

Nothing can go wrong ...

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEHniGifKyE


Murphy will see your million, and raise you another million!
--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

Chubbysumo

join:2009-12-01
Superior, WI
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reply to elios

said by elios:

a DMCA letter is not proof of guilt
its not proof of any thing really

especially seeing as the courts have said an IP does not equal a person, and the companies that track these torrents and P2P networks are using very unreliable information that can no longer even be submitted to most courts.

Chubbysumo

join:2009-12-01
Superior, WI
Reviews:
·Charter

1 recommendation

reply to jc100

said by jc100:

If taken to court, bring said I was found innocent due to X reason. 35 dollars is a lot cheaper than the 1000's a lawyer costs to make the same case.

if you win, they pay your lawyers fees, and other things like time off required or damages to reputation and such. The MPAA, or anyone related will not sue anyone anymore because one simply has to file bankruptcy to get out of any judgement against you, and for that matter, they just wasted hours of time on a case to not get paid anything, which would be fine with me.


FFH
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5
reply to silbaco

said by silbaco:

Quite honestly, I know 1 person who got their connection cut under Mediacom's 3 strikes. And they were completely guilty. I don't know of any instances of false strikes and I know of a lot of people with Mediacom.

Probably 99.99% of those caught are guilty. All the angst over copyright infringement is coming from those too cheap to pay for their music & movies.
--
I will be perfectly happy if the budget cuts specified in the Budget Control Act go into effect. 3 cheers for the sequester. Take the money from the drunken federal spenders.


NormanS
I gave her time to steal my mind away
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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·SONIC.NET

said by FFH:

Probably 99.99% of those caught are guilty. All the angst over copyright infringement is coming from those too cheap to pay for their music & movies.

I like your linr of reasoning!

Hyperbolically speaking: "It is better that ten innocent men hang than that one guilty man goes free."
--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum


FFH
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5

said by NormanS:

said by FFH:

Probably 99.99% of those caught are guilty. All the angst over copyright infringement is coming from those too cheap to pay for their music & movies.

I like your linr of reasoning!

Hyperbolically speaking: "It is better that ten innocent men hang than that one guilty man goes free."

6 strikes is a game of statistics, just like the criminal justice system is. Sometimes an innocent is caught up in it. C'est la vie.
--
I will be perfectly happy if the budget cuts specified in the Budget Control Act go into effect. 3 cheers for the sequester. Take the money from the drunken federal spenders.

jc100

join:2002-04-10

1 recommendation

reply to 88615298

Open router = Open Excuse. Sure, they can sue you for tens of millions and no they won't get far. However, they can put a lean on your house, garnish wages, etc. They might not see your life savings wiped, but they can definitely bankrupt you. Even if you file bankruptcy, creditors now have to agree to dissolve debt. Bankruptcy under Bush changed. It's no longer the carte blance (blank check) to walking away free and clear.



NormanS
I gave her time to steal my mind away
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:11
Reviews:
·SONIC.NET

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reply to FFH

said by FFH:

6 strikes is a game of statistics, just like the criminal justice system is. Sometimes an innocent is caught up in it. C'est la vie.

It should not be; especially not the criminal justice system. "Six Strikes" is a rigged game of statistics; rigged in favor of the MAFIAA.
--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

CXM_Splicer
Looking at the bigger picture
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NYC
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reply to NormanS

Great movie. . Maybe I will watch that tonight.



Jawz

@hansonwatson.com
reply to FFH

What about all those who watch TV shows and miss an episode or have to work during it's airing?



FFH
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5

said by Jawz :

What about all those who watch TV shows and miss an episode or have to work during it's airing?

DVR, OnDemand, network web site, buy it later from Amazon or iTunes, or god forbid just miss that episode.
--
I will be perfectly happy if the budget cuts specified in the Budget Control Act go into effect. 3 cheers for the sequester. Take the money from the drunken federal spenders.


ducksssss

@ubalt.edu

1 recommendation

reply to FFH

I'm not too cheap to pay for movies and music. I'm too cheap to settle for shit. For example itunes is lame...if I want to BUY an album or Record I want that shit on Vinyl with warm Analog sound and cover art that can be appreciated. Secondly not every album or movie can be found these days, and that applies to major providers online as well. Secondly I pay for Netflix, Cable TV, and Internet that's already a lot of income going towards entertainment. Not to mention I still go to movies, live musical performances, etc. Should I really have to pay for an album or movie I've seen or heard plenty of times? And that I've previously paid for? The majority of the money I would be spending anyways would most likely go to a major movie company like Viacom so they can crunch numbers and make another shitty adam sandler movie for a quick buck, without ever caring about the material. And whats the point of going to see a movie in theaters anymore? There are 20 minutes of fucking advertisements before the movie starts, same with television, on average 14 to 16 minutes of every hour is more advertisements for products no one wants. And now get on youtube and more of OUR time is wasted on more pointless products. All of this can be avoided...and it involves NOT buying this shit. That's not to say don't support good "artists" making great pieces of art. The United States is already too consumer driven, and the movie industry has continually set records at the Box office year after year. You should consider that this issue isn't about a bunch of people wanting shit for free, but demanding a better service, innovative technology, freedom of culture, and information.



88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to NormanS

Ok let's say by some chance you are flagged erroneously 6 times. guess what happens? NOTHING. It's like a parent telling a kid to stop doing something or else they'll just keep telling them to stop doing it. Who cares? What kid would be afraid of that parent?



Rasgyle
Premium
join:2005-02-10
Troy, IL
reply to NormanS

I like that you are the voice of reason here. Me, I usually just ignore trolls. Some people live to be a stooge. So, thanks for doing a thankless job. Consider yourself a special education teacher.



CosmicDebri
Still looking for intelligent life

join:2001-09-01
Port Saint Lucie, FL
reply to FFH

said by FFH:

6 strikes is a game of statistics, just like the criminal justice system is. Sometimes an innocent is caught up in it. C'est la vie.

You say that until it happens to you or someone in your family....
--
Follow Your Bliss -- Joseph Cambell
I reject your Reality and substitute my own! -- Adam Savage, Mythbuster


Pirate515
Premium
join:2001-01-22
Brooklyn, NY
reply to jc100

said by jc100:

Yes, but you've spent $35 to profess innocence. ISP "exonerates" you, and the MPAA/RIAA have now lost grounds to sue I'm guessing. After all, open router, hacked, etc., the ISP buys your excuse for a "fee".

IMO, if you are stupid enough to spend $35 to profess your innocence, you are wasting your money, time and efforts. The "review panel" or whatever it is called is very likely biased in favor of MAFIAA. They will happily take your money, then BS you that after "extensive" and "careful" review they still believe that you are at fault and if you wish to appeal, you will need to spend even more money with no guarantee that they will decide in your favor. Personally, I would rather spend a bit more on VPN service, at least that money won't be going to MAFIAA's campaign to restrict our Internet use even more.

said by jc100:

If taken to court, bring said I was found innocent due to X reason. $35 is a lot cheaper than thousands a lawyer costs to make the same case.

The problem is that you are paying $35 for a private investigation, the results of which have absolutely no impact on the outcome of the actual court case. If you are unlucky enough to be the target of their lawsuit, your best bet is to settle with them if they offer it, otherwise you have no choice but to lawyer up and defend yourself.
--
Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies...
A MESSAGE to the RIAA and the MPAA: You shouldn't wound what you can't kill...


Rasgyle
Premium
join:2005-02-10
Troy, IL
reply to CosmicDebri

I think you're being too kind. Budget would probably sell his or her family members for $35 each. Hell, take 'em all. Volume discount. Black looks better on a ledger. Cruelty is complimentary.



Pirate515
Premium
join:2001-01-22
Brooklyn, NY
reply to Chubbysumo

said by Chubbysumo:

...one simply has to file bankruptcy to get out of any judgement against you, and for that matter, they just wasted hours of time on a case to not get paid anything, which would be fine with me.

Well, that doesn't just screw them, that affects you as well. Bankruptcy will tarnish your credit report for the next 7 years, meaning that any applications for mortgages, car loans, credit cards, new cell phone contracts, etc. will be denied on the spot. Trying to rent a new apartment? Many landlords run background checks. The second they see bad credit, they will deny you. Same thing with jobs. Many employers also run background checks, and credit check if a part of many of them.
--
Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies...
A MESSAGE to the RIAA and the MPAA: You shouldn't wound what you can't kill...

axus

join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC

Ouch, that seems disproportionate to the offense of copyright infringement.



NormanS
I gave her time to steal my mind away
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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Reviews:
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said by axus:

Ouch, that seems disproportionate to the offense of copyright infringement.

That is the point. The MAFIAA wants Draconian penalties in a de juris system which costs them nothing to bring a complaint, and for which the penalty is 100% certain in their favor, and sufficiently harsh that Internet users will quake in their chairs as they surf the 'net.

They seem to think they will mitigate piracy by hammering the little guy hard.

Personally, I don't think it will work. For all the piracy I committed, I never feared their hammer; I was not pirating their "junk". I did not stop my piracy out of fear of the MAFIAA; but only because the "stuff" I wanted became easily, and legally available.
--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

wTheOnew

join:2012-03-09
reply to 88615298

So if someone steals something of yours it's your fault right? Makes sense.

Leave an outside electrical outlet unlocked it's you're own fault your neighbor ran an extension cord to it.

Leave your car unlocked it's your fault someone stole it.

It's all the same. It blows my mind that there are people out there that would blame the victim.


Rekrul

join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT
Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
reply to FFH

said by FFH:

Probably 99.99% of those caught are guilty. All the angst over copyright infringement is coming from those too cheap to pay for their music & movies.

I want to legally download some recent movies that I can burn to a data DVD and watch on my DVD player (which plays Divx files). I don't want to have to use proprietary software to do it. Where do I go to buy (not rent) them?