| [OOL] CV is Watching You New Anti-Piracy System Online So for those that might download torrents beware that the new Copyright Alert System has apparently been brought online at a bunch of ISPs, Optimum being one of them. »www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/02/co···your-isp
The system was slated to go online last Fall but due to Superstorm Sandy the government pushed the launch back. While I'm not up here grandstanding against the system, there are some questions that many users should be asking. Like how much are they monitoring our connections now? Will you be able to appeal when downloading items you already own? And a ton of others.
On the other hand unlike the original system which was going to be 3 strikes. This system is 6 strikes and is more education focused. Instead of instant throttling you'll be referred to educational websites. |
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TheWiseGuyDog And ButterflyPremium,MVM
join:2002-07-04
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| Re: [OOL] CV is not Watching You ACTUALLY, CV Will not be watching you. The copyright alert system is a system based on complaints from content holders to the ISP and how the ISPs are to handle those complaints. I'm not passing judgment on the system but at least lets understand how it works.
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| I was under the same impression as TheWiseGuy. The complaints reported to CV would undergo the process. CV is not out to spend more money than they have to policing this process. |
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max pl
join:2009-03-22
Hyde Park, NY | said by frdrizzt:I was under the same impression as TheWiseGuy. The complaints reported to CV would undergo the process. CV is not out to spend more money than they have to policing this process.
I agree |
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Re: [OOL] CV is Watching You New Anti-Piracy System Online I had the impression that the ISP's were going to do deep packet inspection. If not, then nothing has changed.
If you download copyrighted material using a file sharing protocol that exposes your ip, they send OOL a letter, and OOL tells you.
What has changed now with 6 strikes? Capping after 6 detections??? |
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| From what I remember vaguely when it first was discussed, there are 3 warnings with "click to agree to stop" type messages, then educational videos they are forced to stream, and a temporary throttle after 6th offense. Maybe there is one other step in there, but it's the gist of it. |
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TheWiseGuyDog And ButterflyPremium,MVM
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said by Coolguy2 :I had the impression that the ISP's were going to do deep packet inspection. If not, then nothing has changed.
If you download copyrighted material using a file sharing protocol that exposes your ip, they send OOL a letter, and OOL tells you.
What has changed now with 6 strikes? Capping after 6 detections???
Not much has changed except you will be forced to acknowledge having received the notices and there is a mitigation stage. Theoretically the steps are different for different ISPs.
Here is the CCI explanation of the System. It says Content Holders who claim a violation will send a notice to the ISP.
»www.copyrightinformation.org/unc···o-begin/
What has changed is the formalized steps. See
»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012···d-sites/
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Just saw this in my e-mail as well.
Didn't it used to be 4 strikes and then your internet service was terminated?
Unless this actually involves packet inspection, then I see it as a more laxed system. Regardless, encryption exists.. |
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Bottom line here is those who already have done so switched to using a VPN with the OpenVPN client, others having read this will learn and end up using one. The rest are either oblivious or just don't care. |
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Re: [OOL] CV is Watching You New Anti-Piracy System Online said by kickass69:Bottom line here is those who already have done so switched to using a VPN with the OpenVPN client, others having read this will learn and end up using one. The rest are either oblivious or just don't care.
...or they don't steal copyrighted materials. |
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 MxxCon
join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY | reply to max pl
Re: [OOL] CV is not Watching You said by max pl:said by frdrizzt:I was under the same impression as TheWiseGuy. The complaints reported to CV would undergo the process. CV is not out to spend more money than they have to policing this process.
I agree VPN won't save you for long.
1st of all don't you think that VPN services are also monitoring your connection?
2nd, how do you know they won't forward/enforce DMCA claims against your VPN account?
3rd, if they will continue to ignore DMCA claims their servers will either be raided and all logs collected by force or their payment processing accounts will be canceled for supporting piracy, the company will go out of business and all your payment info will endup on the free black market.
Your tinfoil hat won't protect you.
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max pl
join:2009-03-22
Hyde Park, NY | reply to magaman
Re: [OOL] CV is Watching You New Anti-Piracy System Online yeh youre right.
vpn is useless. |
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Just to clear some things up:
The issue here is the sharing...aka uploading of data. Downloading alone is not yet going to fall under this program. For those who use torrents, if you are seeding, you are sharing and uploading.
To OP, It is no excuse to download something you already own, when you purchase media/content, you are purchasing a license to view it on the particular format and for reasonable household use. You may legally make backup copies from your original source, but you cannot just download someone else's. |
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Should be funny when they throttle the connection and then the FCC SAM does a speed test. |
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DodgePremium
join:2002-11-27 | reply to MxxCon
Re: [OOL] CV is not Watching You said by MxxCon:VPN won't save you for long.
1st of all don't you think that VPN services are also monitoring your connection?
Some do, there are others that specifically don't and are located in jurisdictions that don't require them to keep any logs.
said by MxxCon:2nd, how do you know they won't forward/enforce DMCA claims against your VPN account?
Because a lot of VPN companies are not US based and couldn't give a rat's ass about DMCA?
said by MxxCon:3rd, if they will continue to ignore DMCA claims their servers will either be raided and all logs collected by force or their payment processing accounts will be canceled for supporting piracy, the company will go out of business and all your payment info will endup on the free black market.
See my first comment, they can be raided 5 times from Sunday, they don't have logs. Grabbing a server is going to serve 0 purpose if there is no data on it. And there are ways to get around payment processing (tokens for example), that most of these companies won't care. |
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MxxCon
join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY | said by Dodge:said by MxxCon:VPN won't save you for long.
1st of all don't you think that VPN services are also monitoring your connection?
Some do, there are others that specifically don't and are located in jurisdictions that don't require them to keep any logs. Do you have root login to all of their servers to make sure that they do what they claim the do?
said by Dodge:said by MxxCon:2nd, how do you know they won't forward/enforce DMCA claims against your VPN account?
Because a lot of VPN companies are not US based and couldn't give a rat's ass about DMCA? Tell that to Visa, Mastercard, PayPal and others when they cut off that services' payment processing. Did you forget this? »www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree···recedent
said by Dodge:said by MxxCon:3rd, if they will continue to ignore DMCA claims their servers will either be raided and all logs collected by force or their payment processing accounts will be canceled for supporting piracy, the company will go out of business and all your payment info will endup on the free black market.
See my first comment, they can be raided 5 times from Sunday, they don't have logs. Grabbing a server is going to serve 0 purpose if there is no data on it. And there are ways to get around payment processing (tokens for example), that most of these companies won't care. MegaUpload also kinda dind't give rats ass about DMCA, yet they got raided. Whether it was legal or illegal is irrelevant. MPAA/RIAA exhorted enough power on law enforcement that they did their bidding. The service got shutdown/disrupted.
Or did you forget how many times PirateBay's servers got raided?
If corps see a target, they will go after it, it doesn't matter if they keep logs or not.
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max pl
join:2009-03-22
Hyde Park, NY | reply to magaman
Re: [OOL] CV is Watching You New Anti-Piracy System Online raids dont matter if theres no logging.
cc's dont matter when you have bitcoin.
they'll always be behind the pirates, homie, just like you'll always be behind our arguments because youre wrong. |
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MxxCon
join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY | good luck buying bread and milk with bitcoin, homie. |
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cOOLguy
join:2009-09-10
Torrington, CT | reply to magaman
Fury will come when people are downloading a video like the recent NASCAR crash and a real-time DMCA take down gets put into the Six Strikes (SS) system by MLB, NFL, or a private property owner.
It will be like those red light traffic cams. Don't believe for an instant this will only apply to Pirates of teh Carribean. In fact I could see a video on how to hack something being DMCA'd by a hardware or software company. There is going to be some real time censoring of information going on.
Too bad you get a strike. |
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