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jaberi

join:2010-08-13

11-year surgery wait has N.S. woman speaking out

A woman who has waited more than 11 years for foot surgery is speaking out on how the wait has affected her life.

Wendy Berringer has waited more than a decade for surgery to fix a bone deformation on her left foot.

She said she has lived with increasing pain for a long time.

"You're awake every hour, hour and a half. You just can't sleep right," she said.

"In the beginning, I actually thought they lost me in the system because it was 10 years."

»ca.news.yahoo.com/11-surgery-wai···008.html

jaberi

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why can't she fly to toronto and get it done, and how do the policiticans get ahead of the waiting list?


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she could likely cross the border into the US, and get the surgery done the next day...yes, it will cost money, but having quality of life should be worth it.


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said by dirtyjeffer:

she could likely cross the border into the US, and get the surgery done the next day...yes, it will cost money, but having quality of life should be worth it.

Where would she get the money for the specialists in the states and the MRI's and so forth required for the small foot/ankle bones.

Why don't you try and contact her and donate 1000$ towards the tens of thousands in Bills she would likely get.

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There was another woman in BC who went through the same thing (not the same but similar with her foot). After years of waiting she was just begging for them to just amputate it instead due to the pain. She only got attention when it hit the press that she was begging for an amputation.


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More for the Americans against universal health care.

Seriously DJ is right, set something up and fly to Toronto.


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She has a bunion!

The wait time is ridiculous but only if the pain has been intolerable for a decade. Lots of people have bunions and live with it, they generally aren't surgically treated until they become painful and interfere with normal activities. Many people get them fixed because they don't like the odd appearance, not because they hurt.

It's a health management (lack of) issue, they don't have the staff they need, now they have even less, gosh so how many managers does it take to manage one doctor.


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capdjq
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Our medical system is supposed to give equal treatment to everyone, isn't that so?
Now, if today, the Premier of BC and myself both require a hip surgery, supposedly, would we both get the same waiting period? Its 11/2 years in BC.
I'm just curious.
The reason I ask is that Bill Good our popular CKNW Talk Show host had a ONE WEEK waiting period. My next door neighbour has been on the list over 1 year. On the Program, a week ago, he said he never asked or received any special treatment.
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Might have something to do with this:
»toronto.ctvnews.ca/are-family-do···.1170958

Despite the fact that OHIP pays everything, Drs are more likely to take a wealthy person as a patient, than an average or poor person.
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And lot of it is the Doc, I never wait long for anything.
Need an MRI, maybe a week, bone scan, same thing.

My mother has had both her knees replaced in under a year. When I busted my pelvis, and was discharged with little advice, I had an appointment the next week with an Ortho Doc to discuss my injury. We are not a wealthy family, but just have the right docs and connections.
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Because I know people in health care I was able to see a specialist in three weeks instead of waiting three years. If you know people, you can cut lines, yes.

It's always been this way.


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reply to jaberi
said by jaberi:

"In the beginning, I actually thought they lost me in the system because it was 10 years."

Sorry, this is BS. While I am quite sure this woman is in pain, the course to take is to go through your GP if the pain is chronic or getting worse. If she is on a wait list, and it gets worse, you call the specialist and tell them it's getting worse and they move you up. With lack of specialists, referrals outside the province are not unusual. That's the GP's job. One of the things in the Canadian medical system you learn is that you have to be your own advocate. And a slap with a wet bandage for the MDs involved.
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Word of advice to everyone when dealing with the medical system in Canada:

Be very annoying.

I recently needed to follow up on something with a neurosurgeon, it's not an emergency, but requires maintenance... I tried getting someone to look into it a year ago, but it got forgotten, by me and my GP. My wife got irritated with me, and made me follow up, so I called by GP, he ordered the MRI, and then we sent the referral to a bunch of neurosurgeons.

All in all turnaround time was about 3 months, however this time I called every week and literally asked what's going on with the neurosurgeon, after about a month I had an appointment for a month later.

Not the most efficient way to get 'er done, but I got it sorted out.
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said by El Quintron:

Be very annoying.

And be polite about it. And talk to the nurse. They run the doctor.
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said by DKS:

said by El Quintron:

Be very annoying.

And be polite about it. And talk to the nurse. They run the doctor.

Agreed, in my case it was his secretary, but I was indeed quite polite, just extremely persistent.
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said by elwoodblues:

And lot of it is the Doc, I never wait long for anything.

I think some of this is true. I had an issue last summer and after immediate attention there were visits to 3 different specialists and tests, etc. Although they never did find the cause of the original issue, something else was found. That didn't resolve itself until the fall, however, timing was also based on my choice for the surgery date.


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said by TigerLord:

Because I know people in health care I was able to see a specialist in three weeks instead of waiting three years. If you know people, you can cut lines, yes.

It's always been this way.

That doesn't make it right.


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Then pour more money into health
care , which means raising taxes. I keep arguing that you can't keep cutting taxes and expect the status quo, something has to give, Health Care is a good example .

It's obvious it's becoming very strained, with some provinces not having the resources to take care of thier populace.
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said by TigerLord:

Because I know people in health care I was able to see a specialist in three weeks instead of waiting three years. If you know people, you can cut lines, yes.

It's always been this way.

FWIW, I recently required surgery on my left hand for locking trigger finger. Took 2 months just to get past my family doctor.

Finally the family doctor calls and says they have an appointment for a plastic surgeon for me, 15 months down the road.

So I called the plastic surgeon up to see what the wait was so long. It was because I was in the OHIP queue. The other was the private queue - breast augmentation, liposuction, other cosmetic procedures. And they asked me point blank if I would like to join that private queue. All it required was a $100 consultation fee. I paid it, and jumped the OHIP queue - had the surgery done in under 4 weeks.

I later discussed the whole thing with an official at OHIP. They were shocked. What occurred was unlawful, according to them. They asked for my name and the name of the surgeon so they could "look into it". Yeah, thanks anyway. Click.

We have a multi-tiered health care system in Canada, the result of greed and corruption. Believe it.

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said by dillyhammer:

So I called the plastic surgeon up to see what the wait was so long. It was because I was in the OHIP queue. The other was the private queue - breast augmentation, liposuction, other cosmetic procedures. And they asked me point blank if I would like to join that private queue. All it required was a $100 consultation fee. I paid it, and jumped the OHIP queue - had the surgery done in under 4 weeks.

I later discussed the whole thing with an official at OHIP. They were shocked. What occurred was unlawful, according to them. They asked for my name and the name of the surgeon so they could "look into it". Yeah, thanks anyway. Click.

We have a multi-tiered health care system in Canada, the result of greed and corruption. Believe it.

Mike

It is indeed illegal. And you can be sure that OHIP will be doing some strategic audits.
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said by resa1983:

Might have something to do with this:
»toronto.ctvnews.ca/are-family-do···.1170958

Despite the fact that OHIP pays everything, Drs are more likely to take a wealthy person as a patient, than an average or poor person.

So how does a Doctor know your financial situation?


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said by capdjq:

So how does a Doctor know your financial situation?

In Montreal it isn't uncommon for doctors to get "tips" from what I read (500$, a grand, a couple of grand). Some of them have been disciplined. But who cares. If it happens here, it happens everywhere else to get humped and get the better care and attention.

Also, when it comes to surgery, Medicare doesn't necessarily pay for the latest and greatest. For example, cataract surgery Hard lens is covered the better soft lens is not in some prov's. You pay 300$ extra for that. Same with many orthopedic hardware to alleviate pain. Same with certain types of stents and so forth. So they can gauge if you are in poverty or not quite easily. Not to mention your insurance, where you work, your job etc etc etc

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said by capdjq:

said by resa1983:

Might have something to do with this:
»toronto.ctvnews.ca/are-family-do···.1170958

Despite the fact that OHIP pays everything, Drs are more likely to take a wealthy person as a patient, than an average or poor person.

So how does a Doctor know your financial situation?

It said in the article...

quote:
In their calls to a random sampling of 375 doctors' offices across the city, the researchers followed a script that suggested their socioeconomic status was either high or low -- by posing as a banker transferred to the city, for example, or as a recipient of social assistance.
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said by DKS:

said by jaberi:

"In the beginning, I actually thought they lost me in the system because it was 10 years."

Sorry, this is BS. While I am quite sure this woman is in pain, the course to take is to go through your GP if the pain is chronic or getting worse. If she is on a wait list, and it gets worse, you call the specialist and tell them it's getting worse and they move you up. With lack of specialists, referrals outside the province are not unusual. That's the GP's job. One of the things in the Canadian medical system you learn is that you have to be your own advocate. And a slap with a wet bandage for the MDs involved.

Either that or have a great GP. Mine is good. He gets things done quickly.

By the sounds of it, she probably could have done more years ago.
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said by J E F F:

Either that or have a great GP. Mine is good. He gets things done quickly.

By the sounds of it, she probably could have done more years ago.

Same with me, I have a great GP (though he constantly whines about money).
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said by elwoodblues:

More for the Americans against universal health care.

Seriously DJ is right, set something up and fly to Toronto.

How would that help her if Toronto has a waiting list too?

Are you telling me that 365 people a year get foot surgery in New Brunswick and this is why this woman has not gotten one yet?


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There is more then one orthopedic surgeon in Toronto, and I'm not aware of a " waiting list" I can make a call right now, leave a message and see an ortho doc within a week.

jaberi

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so how does a hockey player get an overnight MRI in a public hospital
they get surgery immediately, and have recovered and this woman is still on a waiting list?


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The team pays for it.


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said by elwoodblues:

The team pays for it.

So why does my neighbor have to cross the Border to have his hip surgery? According to him the Medical System wouldn't let him to the front of the line even when he offered to pay. It appears the Medical varies in different Provinces with some more easily swayed by the money.

If the said neighbor had said he suffered a hip injury, while on the job, WCB would have given him the operation in a week in Vancouver Private Clinic. Its cheaper to expedite the surgery than pay Workmens Comp.

I used to pay $30 for a prostate Exam in BC. Now I just say I'm having difficulty urinating and I get it for free. Doctor will not give me Annual Checkup. Saying I'm out of breath, while walking, gets me one.

Seeing a Specialist here involves a minimum of 3-6 months, depending on the type of illness. A trip to the Emergency with valid, but exaggerated symptoms, gets you one in a week or less.
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