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Mike
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It's only illegal if you're caught

You only have a case if you can provide evidence.

Since you can't provide evidence and it's considered secret, no one is talking.

Continue on, citizen.
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What this country needs is a good five dollar plasma weapon.


Gami00

join:2010-03-11
Mississauga, ON

Wouldn't it be easier if your Government/Prez just declared Martial Law. That way he doesn't have to bother with you people and all your whining about rights/constitution/privacy...

it would be a much more simpler America !!

it'll be like that movie V, except from the "leader's PoV" instead of the people/rebels.


Network Guy
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reply to Mike

With the advent of domestic terrorism, it's a disgusting but necessary evil. The founding fathers would be pissed at both sides for sure.


CXM_Splicer
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Ummm, you are ignoring the possibility of domestic terrorism being caused by such totalitarian methods; much like our foreign policy is a source of international terrorism.

Necessary evil? Funny, I am sure that's exactly what the terrorists think too. I find it strange that so much of the behavior we used to criticize Communist Russia for (that would NEVER happen in a free country!) is now commonplace in the US.

Not only is this NOT necessary, it should not be accepted or tolerated.


Network Guy
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I'm not for domestic espionage any more than I am for Bloomie's dumbass large-sized soft drink ban, and it is instrusive. But the enemy does tend to camouflage itself to appear just like me and you. The digital age has made it easier.

I think my biggest gripe is that they're likely not monitoring the ones who need to be.



Be Good

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reply to Network Guy

So, when an elected officials swears to the oath, what exactly is he defending? Seems to me that the government could care less about the constitution except when they deem it necessary to protect their position.



Mike
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Tada!



cdru
Go Colts
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Fort Wayne, IN
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reply to Gami00

said by Gami00:

Wouldn't it be easier if your Government/Prez just declared Martial Law...

As the saying goes, if you put a frog in a boiling pot of water, he'll immediately try to jump out. But if you put him in cold water and slowly heat it until it boils, he'll remain until he cooks himself to death.

Declaring martial law would be like dropping the country in boiling water. There is no way that it would succeed. However since at least 9/11 and perhaps before, the temperature has slowly been rising under the guise of protecting the children. Or fighting the terrorists. Or Iranians. Or whatever the boogyman of the day is.


captnhook

join:2001-02-20
NY
reply to Network Guy

said by Network Guy:

With the advent of domestic terrorism...

One man's domestic terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
I wonder if America's founding fathers would be labeled domestic terrorists if they existed in today's world. I guess it all depends on ones point of view. One thing that isn't debatable is the trampling of our Constitution (and thus the rights and protections we citizen's are afforded by it) by this ruling.

Angrychair

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reply to Gami00

The republicans practically are attempting this sort of thing in a very underhanded way. They're attempting to change voting laws to make it possible for them to win elections even when they dramatically lose. See the scheme they're attempting to implement in Virginia.

Note these schemes are only being implemented in states Republicans control where the laws would help them to shave electoral college votes away from Democratic candidates, not in states where Republicans are solidly in control and expect to win in virtual perpetuity.



FFH
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Tavistock NJ
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reply to cdru

said by cdru:

said by Gami00:

Wouldn't it be easier if your Government/Prez just declared Martial Law...

As the saying goes, if you put a frog in a boiling pot of water, he'll immediately try to jump out. But if you put him in cold water and slowly heat it until it boils, he'll remain until he cooks himself to death.

You should choose a different analogy. This one is false:
»www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.asp
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cdru
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said by FFH:

You should choose a different analogy. This one is false:
»www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.asp

I'm well aware of that. I can also cite counter examples that show the opposite. Your proof specifically mentions heating the water 2 degrees F per minute. Other examples where the frog did indeed die the water was heated an order of magnitude slower.

Regardless, I never said "As the scientific fact", I said "As the saying goes". "An apple a day keeps the doctor away", "the pen is mightier than the sword", and "a watched pot never boils" all are scientifically false proverbial sayings, yet they illustrate an underlying general truth or lesson.


meeeeeeeeee

join:2003-07-13
Newburgh, NY

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U.S. Constitution
The Amerikan Government LOVES The Constitution!!! They think it is soft and absorbent.

Osama WON. He destroyed AmeriCa.

Rekrul

join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT
reply to Network Guy

said by Network Guy:

I'm not for domestic espionage any more than I am for Bloomie's dumbass large-sized soft drink ban, and it is instrusive. But the enemy does tend to camouflage itself to appear just like me and you. The digital age has made it easier.

Yeah, we have to lock up those stinking Jap spies! I mean we need to ferret out those damn commies! Wait, who are we spying now?

Network Guy
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We should be spying on the likes of Adam Lanza. We should stop being reactive... ie: stupid tighter gun controls that accomplish more harm than good because people are upset about a psycho with a gun... and become more preventive.



KrK
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Click for full size
Reminds of this, but apparently, it will be even worse. :/


KrK
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reply to Mike

Everything is just fine.

Now please return to your homes and spend money like good little consumers.

Kearnstd
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reply to Mike

The terrorists won, It is that simple. I mean think about it, They do the worst act in US history and then the country slowly works towards lockdown in the name of stopping the evil evil terrorists.

The justice department of course has the perfect trifecta of keywords. Stopping terrorism, protect the children, end online piracy.
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TheHelpful1
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reply to Angrychair

said by Angrychair:

The republicans practically are attempting this sort of thing in a very underhanded way. They're attempting to change voting laws to make it possible for them to win elections even when they dramatically lose. See the scheme they're attempting to implement in Virginia.

This is really off topic of warrantless wire tapping, but Pot meet kettle. This door swings both ways so have a look here: »articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-1···district

"At that time, and with the benefit of popular incumbent Republican moderates Bob Ehrlich and Connie Morella, the Republicans held a surprising four of the state's eight seats. In a decidedly "blue" state, Democrats were frustrated by the evenly split delegation."

Basically if you are a republican in MD, don't bother voting because from the electoral college on down, it won't matter for anything because of how far Democrats have shifted this state in their favor. Not to mention the Washington Post releasing a "poll" that says 80% of MD residents are in favor of fingerprinting just to own a firearm and the last two questions of this poll show that 80% of the respondents don't own a firearm to begin with and are 40% democratic (20% were republican and the rest were independent).

If we required finger printing, photo ID and annual renewal charges for the right to Vote, how many people in MD would be OK with that? None since most illegals vote democrat and mandating a voter ID law would pretty much mean their voting base would be decimated.
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"My weakness is that I care too much"


TheHelpful1
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reply to KrK

^Is that moss growing on his shirt???


CXM_Splicer
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reply to Network Guy

said by Network Guy:

We should be spying on the likes of Adam Lanza. We should stop being reactive... ie: stupid tighter gun controls that accomplish more harm than good because people are upset about a psycho with a gun... and become more preventive.

I don't think Lanza would have been helped by a surveillance state. The clues were already there, it was obvious that he had social problems. Do you think he was talking to people about his upcoming spree on his cellphone? Even if he was (and was caught) the system is for prosecution, not for psychological intervention. The system isn't used proactively at all, as a matter of fact, they simply go the database to obtain evidence to use against someone for whatever crime they are being charged with.

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Therein lies one of the problems. The judicial system has become more focused on warehousing accused criminals by the bulk, however petty the offense may be or if at all, than it is about addressing problems with real solutions.

It doesn't help at all that the NYPD seems to continually put badges on morons to supposedly keep the streets safe.


Angrychair

join:2000-09-20
Jacksonville, FL
reply to TheHelpful1

Wow, that's quite a bit of ignorance and venom for only 206 words.



KrK
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reply to TheHelpful1

said by Angrychair:

None since most illegals vote democrat and mandating a voter ID law would pretty much mean their voting base would be decimated.

Illegals don't vote.

It's right up there with the "Everyone on Welfare votes Democrat."
Well, this is Oklahoma, as Red as it gets, and 25% on the population receive direct Government assistance of some kind or another, and that's not counting the people claiming EIC and other handouts.

The reality is, that many types of people believe in "Sticking it to the Gub'mint" and that most people on welfare don't vote at all.
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini


meeeeeeeeee

join:2003-07-13
Newburgh, NY

Most people (period) don't vote. What's the point? The Party gives you a choice of candidate A or candidate B, both of which are only interested in making themselves and their "friends" richer, and screwing you.
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"when the people have suffered many abuses under the control of a totalitarian leader, they not only have the right but the duty to overthrow that government." - The U.S. Declaration of Independence



Iceman0803

join:2012-05-18
Glendale, AZ
reply to FFH

said by FFH See Profile
You should choose a different analogy. This one is false:
»www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.asp

I think you missed the point. Here is a line taken from your link:

...the "boiled frog" anecdote serves its purpose whether or not it's based upon something that is literally true.



KrK
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reply to TheHelpful1

said by TheHelpful1:

^Is that moss growing on his shirt???

LOL, you mean the microphones?
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