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Re: [HD] Get Ready for "Ultra-HDTV"

There's a DSLR news item today about Netflix talking about being able to stream 4K video at a speed of only about 15 Mbps:

Netflix: 4K Video Will Need At Least 15 Mbps
By Karl Bode, DSLR News - September 23, 2013
»Netflix: 4K Video Will Need At Least 15 Mbps [135] comments

There was also an article earlier on the MCN site about this:

Netflix CEO: 15-Meg Will Be Good Enough To Stream 4K
Reed Hastings Says Netflix Expects to Launch a 4K Service in 2014

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - September 20, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/ind ··· k/145595

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Yeah 4k will be the "new HD" where they fit 2 per QAM with 8.8 Mbps to spare for maybe an MPEG4 HD channel.

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Netflix is now testing streaming Ultra-HD content in preparation for a full launch sometime next year:

Netflix Begins 4K Streaming Tests
Netflix Posts Small Batch of 4K Footage Ahead of Anticipated 2014 Launch

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - November 3, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/dis ··· s/146463
telcodad

telcodad

MVM

said by telcodad:

Netflix is now testing streaming Ultra-HD content in preparation for a full launch sometime next year:

Netflix Begins 4K Streaming Tests
Netflix Posts Small Batch of 4K Footage Ahead of Anticipated 2014 Launch

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - November 3, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/dis ··· s/146463

YouTube is also preparing for 4K U-HD:

YouTube ‘ready for 4k’
Advanced Television - November 20, 2013
»advanced-television.com/ ··· -for-4k/
telcodad

telcodad

MVM

said by telcodad:

said by telcodad:

Netflix is now testing streaming Ultra-HD content in preparation for a full launch sometime next year:

Netflix Begins 4K Streaming Tests
Netflix Posts Small Batch of 4K Footage Ahead of Anticipated 2014 Launch

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - November 3, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/dis ··· s/146463

YouTube is also preparing for 4K U-HD:

YouTube ‘ready for 4k’
Advanced Television - November 20, 2013
»advanced-television.com/ ··· -for-4k/

Amazon Studios says it plans to start shooting in 4K soon also:

Amazon Studios To Give 4K A Shot
Pilots Selected For ‘Full’ Series Production Will Be Filmed in 4K In 2014

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - December 16, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/tec ··· t/147246
telcodad

telcodad

MVM

said by telcodad:

Netflix is now testing streaming Ultra-HD content in preparation for a full launch sometime next year:

Netflix Begins 4K Streaming Tests
Netflix Posts Small Batch of 4K Footage Ahead of Anticipated 2014 Launch

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - November 3, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/dis ··· s/146463

A blog item on the MCN site today:

Netflix’s 4K Plan Starts To Clear Up
By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - December 18, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/blo ··· ts-clear
telcodad

telcodad

MVM

The network announcements about testing/moving to 4K U-HD are coming out more and more now:

3net Eyes 4K Expansion in 2014
Sony/Imax/Discovery J.V. 'Prepared' To Produce Up To 80 Hours Of Ultra HD Fare Next Year, CEO Says

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - December 19, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/dis ··· 4/147319
telcodad

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said by telcodad:

YouTube is also preparing for 4K U-HD:

YouTube ‘ready for 4k’
Advanced Television - November 20, 2013
»advanced-television.com/ ··· -for-4k/

Looks like YouTube will be demonstrating their 4K streaming capability at next week’s CES:

YouTube Casts An Early 4K Vote
By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - January 2, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/blo ··· -4k-vote
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said by telcodad:

said by telcodad:

Netflix is now testing streaming Ultra-HD content in preparation for a full launch sometime next year:

Netflix Begins 4K Streaming Tests
Netflix Posts Small Batch of 4K Footage Ahead of Anticipated 2014 Launch

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - November 3, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/dis ··· s/146463

A blog item on the MCN site today:

Netflix’s 4K Plan Starts To Clear Up
By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - December 18, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/blo ··· ts-clear

FYI - On the B&C site today:

CES: Netflix To Stream 4K Content on LG TVs
'House of Cards' will be available in UltraHD in 2014
By George Winslow, Broadcasting & Cable - January 6, 2014
»www.broadcastingcable.co ··· s/128266

EDIT: LG's press release: »www.prnewswire.com/news- ··· 461.html
telcodad

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said by telcodad:

said by telcodad:

Netflix is now testing streaming Ultra-HD content in preparation for a full launch sometime next year:

Netflix Begins 4K Streaming Tests
Netflix Posts Small Batch of 4K Footage Ahead of Anticipated 2014 Launch

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - November 3, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/dis ··· s/146463

A blog item on the MCN site today:

Netflix’s 4K Plan Starts To Clear Up
By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - December 18, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/blo ··· ts-clear

Netflix app to stream 4K on new TVs immediately
By Ryan Nakashima, The Associated Press - Jan. 9, 2014
»bigstory.ap.org/article/ ··· w-4k-tvs

wolf
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wolf

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Ouch, not even Dolby was going this far: »www.soundandvision.com/c ··· tra-hdtv

telcodad
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said by wolf :

Ouch, not even Dolby was going this far: »www.soundandvision.com/c ··· tra-hdtv

Wow, yeah.
quote:
The real kicker to this story? During the presentation, Joe said that the improvements he and others are pushing for exceed the capabilities of HDMI 2.0, the new, UHDTV-specific connector being incorporated into new sets. According to Joe, HDMI 2.0 as an interface is “stillborn.”

wolf
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wolf

Anon

An actual 50(+) minute interview with video guru Joe Kane on YouTube from a couple of months back:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· GJbaGfc4
where he makes similar negative statements about the HDMI 2.0 standard. And about the general push so far re: 4k marketing being solely focused on resolution.

I wonder how Hisense's newly announced U-LED (»www.prnewswire.com/news- ··· 001.html) fits in with all of this, insofar as being touted as a legitimate OLED competitor & featuring a marked improvement in 4k video quality. I assume it still utilizes the same HDMI 2.0 connector, maybe it's a middle step between current 4k & Kane's perfect world.
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You realize that U-LED is simply a marketing term Hisense is using for a more premium LED-lit LCD TV.

telcodad
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telcodad

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said by SpHeRe31459:

You realize that U-LED is simply a marketing term Hisense is using for a more premium LED-lit LCD TV.

Well, I haven't seen those U-LED TVs myself, but if you believe the statement in Hisense's press release, it seems like the improvement is more that just marketing hype:
quote:
At the Hisense Booth in CES Central Hall, Hisense conducted a field performance comparison test between OLED TV and Hisense ULED TV, and invited appraisals from industry experts, soliciting heightened interests in the product among the audience. The product comparison showed that Hisense ULED has superior screen performance in scene details, with color reproduction and screen fluency comparable to that of OLED.

wolf
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wolf

Anon

...and their claim is that it's much easier to produce on a large scale & in large screen sizes than OLED, basically that it can be ready NOW. Also that it would be much cheaper than OLED (at least initially), they're talking "slightly higher" prices vs LED. China & South America are slated to get it first, sometime this year.

They're claiming use of a "scene engine" to process the image & apply various real-time controls to improve picture quality, raising it to OLED levels. Sounds like this is some type of video-specific processor/control system which could presumably be incorporated into all kinds of products on a licensing basis. At least I haven't seen any reference to Hisense utilizing any specific proprietary display in their demos.

Again, nothing that's likely to satisfy Joe Kane but if true it might be a good intermediate step that gets us closer more quickly & for less $'s. If I could buy a 4k 55"+ display right now for about the same price as current top 1080p LED's & get OLED-type video performance, I'd have to seriously consider it. Looking forward to learning more about this system as it becomes available.

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said by telcodad:

said by telcodad:

A blog item on the MCN site today:

Netflix’s 4K Plan Starts To Clear Up
By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - December 18, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/blo ··· ts-clear

Netflix app to stream 4K on new TVs immediately
By Ryan Nakashima, The Associated Press - Jan. 9, 2014
»bigstory.ap.org/article/ ··· w-4k-tvs

While Netflix had previously said that a 15 Mbps downstream speed was the minimum requirement for 4K streaming, they are saying that a speed of 25 Mbps is now needed to do it:

4K TV: For Most, The Stream Is Still a Dream
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - June 26, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/4k ··· 2614.htm
telcodad

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said by telcodad:

said by telcodad:

Netflix app to stream 4K on new TVs immediately
By Ryan Nakashima, The Associated Press - Jan. 9, 2014
»bigstory.ap.org/article/ ··· w-4k-tvs

While Netflix had previously said that a 15 Mbps downstream speed was the minimum requirement for 4K streaming, they are saying that a speed of 25 Mbps is now needed to do it:

4K TV: For Most, The Stream Is Still a Dream
By Phillip Swann, TVPredictions.com - June 26, 2014
»www.tvpredictions.com/4k ··· 2614.htm

 
Amazon will begin streaming their Prime Instant Video in 4K in October and Samsung will support it on most of their 4K TVs:

»Amazon to Stream in 4K Starting in October [36] comments

and:

Samsung To Offer Amazon 4K Fare In October
TV Maker Expands Its Ultra HD Content Slate

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - August 28, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/new ··· r/383429
telcodad

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An interesting article on what Ultra-HD technology can do with old classic movies:

Godzilla stomps back in ultra HD, wires intact
By Yuri Kageyama, AP - August 27, 2014
»bigstory.ap.org/article/ ··· s-intact
quote:
At a humble Tokyo laboratory, Godzilla, including the 1954 black-and-white original, is stomping back with a digital makeover that delivers four times the image quality of high definition.

The effort with "4K" technology is carefully removing scratches and discoloration from the films and also unearthing hidden information on the reel-to-reel.

Experts say the chemical reactions used to make old movies stored far greater detail than was visible with the limited projection technology of the era, as well as with subsequent digital updates.

If all the hidden information of a reel-to-reel is ever brought out, quality would approximate 8K, they say.
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said by telcodad:

Netflix app to stream 4K on new TVs immediately
By Ryan Nakashima, The Associated Press - Jan. 9, 2014
»bigstory.ap.org/article/ ··· w-4k-tvs

On the DSLR News page today: »Netflix Hikes Subscription Rates for 4KTV Subscribers [38] comments
telcodad

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said by telcodad:

said by telcodad:

Netflix app to stream 4K on new TVs immediately
By Ryan Nakashima, The Associated Press - Jan. 9, 2014
»bigstory.ap.org/article/ ··· w-4k-tvs

On the DSLR News page today: »Netflix Hikes Subscription Rates for 4KTV Subscribers [38] comments

FYI - One of today's DSLR News items: »Netflix Shot Latest 'House of Cards' Season in 6K [65] comments
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Even though the Discovery Communications is already making some programming in 4K UHD, they currently have has no plans to launch a 4K service:

Discovery cautious on 4K
By Chris Forrester, Advanced Television - March 16, 2015
»advanced-television.com/ ··· s-on-4k/