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Phantasee

join:2009-08-27
Hammond, LA
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New rig suggestions

Decided to build a new rig. Current rig runs WoW and some older MMO's great. But I want to play some new games. Crysis 3 and be able to FRAPS and run other programs at the same time.

Current budget ceiling is $2,000.00. Ok. I am going to go Intel because I love the performance my wife's older i5 2500k brings to the table. I am keeping my monitor and HDD but I want a SSD for my OS boot drive.

Nvidia or AMD is fine. Not interested in OC'ing unless I need to.



Phantasee

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Hammond, LA
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»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···14150586

Considering a 7970. Anything better or comparable for the 400.00ish GPU price point? I usually stick with Nvidia. But I am not loyal to either.

Also will an i7 vs an i5 be better for running a game and other programs at once because of it's HT'ing?


me1212

join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO

For most games an i5 vs i7 wont make a difference, but crysis 3 uses all 8 threads on the i7, so since thats what you mentioned in your OP, it may be a good idea to consider the 3770k especially if you want to fraps. The 7970 is a better buy than the 680 right now, but don't plan an maxing crysis 3 with just 1 gpu its a crazy demanding game.



Phantasee

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The 3770 looked like the winner just browsing Intel's lineup. Should I go with an Intel motherboard? My last 4 motherboards were ASUS and they all still work. Also have 16 gigs of ram in my current 2 rigs. Should I be shooting for 24-32 gigs for this build?


me1212

join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO

I use 8GB, and 8 is more then enough for me, granted I don't do fraps or video editing. 16 should be plenty unless you plan on doing a lot of video editing/photo. I use asrock, but really as long as the motherboard has the features you want on it and good ratings it should word. I know you said you didn't care about OCing, but the 3770k will let you if you ever want to, the 3770 wont not sure what the price difference is on them. Personally I always OC, because well its more performance.



eve
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reply to Phantasee

Very rarely do I see any sort of justification for a system with more than 16 GB of RAM.

Here's something I threw together...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V PRO ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Crucial M4 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($186.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition 3GB Video Card ($445.91 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($97.84 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 850W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($18.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1542.64
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-27 15:31 EST-0500)

1 TB HD might not be enough for your frapsing. But, you're well under budget here. You didn't mention OCing as a priority so I gave you a Hyper 212 Evo, which will still be able to handle OCing just nothing over the top.

With ~$500 to spare, you could upgrade your case to full tower, go liquid cooling and/or get another HD.

/edit: NewEgg-only prices are $1640 so less leeway but I know MicroCenters aren't everywhere.


me1212

join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
reply to Phantasee

With 500 to spare I'd say a full tower would be the best place to start, so he can add more hdds in later/in the initial build. Heck $500 is enough to add another 7970 if he didn't want to change cases.



Krisnatharok
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reply to Phantasee

You said you are reusing your HDD, so I only included an SSD. Go big or go home. You didn't tell us what resolution you are working with, so if it is 1080p, go with Z77 and a single 7970. If it is higher than 1080p or you need the GPU bandwidth, go with X79 and two 7970s.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3820 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Scythe BIG Shuriken 2 Rev. B 45.5 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($43.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X79-UD3 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($220.98 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($179.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($149.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($399.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($399.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec Eleven Hundred ATX Full Tower Case ($112.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 850W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($18.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($135.97 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $2002.83
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-27 15:46 EST-0500)
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Phantasee

join:2009-08-27
Hammond, LA
reply to me1212

That build looks good. Looks about the range I want to be in as far as performance should go. I am going to go full case. I am going to TRY to get everything from on place. Most likely NewEgg or Tiger.

Thanks for the input.



Phantasee

join:2009-08-27
Hammond, LA
reply to Krisnatharok

1080p, Kris. Can't do $2.83 over budget....

jk. Xfire looks tempting. I've never built a dual GPU rig, ever.



Krisnatharok
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I've got another idea. Gimme a second.


demir
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usa
reply to Phantasee

What monitor do you currently have?



Krisnatharok
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said by Phantasee:

1080p, Kris. Can't do $2.83 over budget....

jk. Xfire looks tempting. I've never built a dual GPU rig, ever.

Here is another build, using Z77 and two 7950s (you shouldn't be capped by PCIe 3.0 x8/x8), and is top quality parts (aka "I'd build this for me"). As a bonus you get Thunderbolt on the mobo, and a 500 GB SSD.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($32.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V PRO/THUNDERBOLT ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($232.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Z Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($184.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($279.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($297.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($297.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Rosewill THOR V2 ATX Full Tower Case ($119.34 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 850W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($18.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($135.97 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1981.17
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-02-27 16:00 EST-0500)
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Phantasee

join:2009-08-27
Hammond, LA
reply to Phantasee

Hold do multi GPU setups do as far as cooling goes? I assume decent airflow will mitigate performance loss from heat soak?



Krisnatharok
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With a fullsize case like the Thor V2 you'll be fine with air cooling two 7950s.



Gordo74
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join:2003-10-28
Monroeville, PA
reply to Phantasee

Personally, I'd just go with the 2nd build Kris mentioned, but only do a single 7970. You're at 1080p. It will chew through anything at that resolution. Go with a smaller case (why waste the room?) and focus on making it silent. Drop the PSU to a Gold or Plat rated Seasonic around 650w then with the extra $300, grab 2 of the 500GB SSDs and RAID0 them. That's what I'd do at least.



Krisnatharok
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He wants to max Crysis 3 and similar games. Granted, I haven't tried at 1080p (I can tonight and report results), but I don't see that happening with a single card.
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Gordo74
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said by Krisnatharok:

He wants to max Crysis 3 and similar games. Granted, I haven't tried at 1080p (I can tonight and report results), but I don't see that happening with a single card.

I think it has a good chance to max it with a single card with only 1 monitor at 1080p.


Krisnatharok
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In the Guru3D benchmarking of the game, the GTX Titan gets 42 FPS @ 1920x1200 at max settings (Very High + MSAA 8x).

And that's the newest, baddest single card solution. Expect a single 7970 to barely break 30 FPS.
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Phantasee

join:2009-08-27
Hammond, LA
reply to Phantasee

Crysis is more of a benchmark for my build. But so far I liked your last build, Kris. I might try and stay right under 2k since I JUST got a new car today......



Krisnatharok
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Two 7950s will be a fairly powerful setup, but will avoid the bandwidth limitation issues you get into with the 7970/680 under PCie 3.0 x8/x8.

That way you enjoy the power of high-end Crossfire without the premium for X79.
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Phantasee

join:2009-08-27
Hammond, LA

Which brand should should I go with? Visiontek? XFX? Diamond?



Krisnatharok
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Sapphire, Gigabyte, PowerColer, MSI, ASUS, and HIS are all valid choices.

»www.tomshardware.com/reviews/rad···207.html

Since the Asus Thunderbolt has its PCIe 3.0 slots spread out, I suggest you use this 2.5 slot card (assuming you don't need the PCI slots it covers):

»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···14202003

I have the 7970 version of this card and it lets me overclock from a stock 1050mhz to 1215mhz. That's a very hefty OC, and pretty normal for these cards, based on what I've read.
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Phantasee

join:2009-08-27
Hammond, LA

Okay. Ordering the ASUS.



Phantasee

join:2009-08-27
Hammond, LA
reply to Krisnatharok

I am thinking of going big on the PSU. Like 900w big. Overkill?



Krisnatharok
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said by Phantasee:

I am thinking of going big on the PSU. Like 900w big. Overkill?

Very. Clicking on the PC Parts Picker link for the build above says the estimated power draw is 598w. Erring on the safe side and adjusting for OCing might give you 800w as an upper number, but a solid 750w unit would be more than enough (any Gold/Plat rated unit by Corsair/Seasonic/Rosewill).
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Phantasee

join:2009-08-27
Hammond, LA
reply to Phantasee

Maybe even 1k.



Phantasee

join:2009-08-27
Hammond, LA
reply to Krisnatharok

Too late. Ordered. Lol.

»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···17151102

850 Seasonic.



Krisnatharok
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Hardly a bad unit. It will give you overhead to OC the CPU and GPUs, if that's what you like to do.



Krisnatharok
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said by Phantasee:

Too late. Ordered. Lol.

Also it's not a bad idea to put up a final "BUILD COMPLETE" post so we can comb over your selections one final time. You know. Just in case.

I have no idea what you're ordering, unless it's verbatim what I suggested.
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