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London1983

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With the new CBB decision, APOI is a long way away.

Since it'll cost TSI more when they make the eventual switch to APOI and the extension by the CRTC to allow them to continue to run on legacy hardware until March 2014, the writing is pretty much on the wall in regards to TSI's plans on migrating to aggregated. With that particular prospect and no need for unlimited, how difficult would it be to switch from Tek to Start?



TypeS

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It's not really known if TSI will take the extended deadline the CRTC set. Marc has head they've been more eager to get APOI to offer the new speed tiers from Rogers. They know customers want them, especially now since there is pressure from Rogers with unlimited offerings. Probabl should wait for Marc to explain TSI's plan forward after the last 2 CRTC decisions.

Plus, Start hasn't posted their new prices and packages yet, since they got broadsided even worse, with their costs increased when they were already taking a loss.


InvalidError

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reply to London1983

I do not see how you could consider a 6 months extension a "long way away" when the deadline is still within the next year.

Compared to the several years it takes to run everything through the CRTC from initial filings to final resolution (CBB has been 5+ years in the making if we start counting from the original UBB filings that led to it) and the several months it takes to setup capacity upgrades to non-aggregated POIs, one year is effectively short-term.



creed3020
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reply to London1983

It is relatively easy to switch to Start because Rogers does a TPIA transfer which from what I've seen in other threads in the Start forums have gone fairly smoothly. I believe the install fee is also waived.

The elephant in the room though is what will happen to Start's packages. They are bound to decrease in value as the price will either have to increase or the usage come down. I doubt we'll see an unlimited option for them, and if there is it will be quite high in order to subsidize that user and probably bring revenue up in general.



TOPDAWG
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wish tek would come out with their plans but I'm sure their still going over numbers. One day they will cover my area till then it's rogers for me or 3MB DSL so depending on what they may do I'm not sure what to do about my internet and the plans I will need till I can move to them.



TypeS

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reply to InvalidError

Well the OP is right that the extended deadline for migrating to APOI is a long way away, considering the new speed tiers on Rogers' network came out in what, November/December? People waited til February to see if the CRTC would force Rogers to offer those speeds on APOI, the CRTC didn't be budge. So then it became a wait time from somewhere between bring til November, now it's still March of 2014, 1.5 years after the new tiers came online. And over a year from now, Rogers could increase the speed again by then.

I don't believe TSI will wait til the new deadline, and I hope they don't, that'd be pushing the loyalty of many of their customers a bit too much, at least for me it would. I'll accept the inevitable price incrases on APOI costs than wait a full year for faster speeds, that already available.


InvalidError

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said by TypeS:

Well the OP is right that the extended deadline for migrating to APOI is a long way away

While a whole year may seem like a long time to average people, it is a rather short term compared to the 3-5 years it takes to resolve regulatory disputes.

resa1983
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reply to TypeS

said by TypeS:

Well the OP is right that the extended deadline for migrating to APOI is a long way away, considering the new speed tiers on Rogers' network came out in what, November/December? People waited til February to see if the CRTC would force Rogers to offer those speeds on APOI, the CRTC didn't be budge. So then it became a wait time from somewhere between bring til November, now it's still March of 2014, 1.5 years after the new tiers came online. And over a year from now, Rogers could increase the speed again by then.

I don't believe TSI will wait til the new deadline, and I hope they don't, that'd be pushing the loyalty of many of their customers a bit too much, at least for me it would. I'll accept the inevitable price incrases on APOI costs than wait a full year for faster speeds, that already available.

Higher upstream actually came out in November 2011.
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bdoyledimou

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Markham, ON
reply to London1983

bottom line is, at least on Cable -- Rogers has the better plan and offers right now. it will literally reduce my bill by $3 a month to get higher download AND upload speeds, with a provider who is actually accountable to me as the customer to fix issues (and this includes the unlimited).

ultimately the move to Tek in the last year or so has been value driven, and that value is eroding -- I wouldn't expect Tek to announce the new prices until the "limited time offering" window on unlimited from the incumbents is closed.



TypeS

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reply to resa1983

said by resa1983:

Higher upstream actually came out in November 2011.

I was actually referring to the upgrade on the the speed upgrades on Express, Extreme, Extreme Plus, and Ultimate which became 25/2, 35/3, 45/4, and 150/10. 35/3 is the same as TekSavvy's 28/1, except that Rogers is denyig it on the out-going POI TPIA customers.

said by bdoyledimou:

bottom line is, at least on Cable -- Rogers has the better plan and offers right now. it will literally reduce my bill by $3 a month to get higher download AND upload speeds, with a provider who is actually accountable to me as the customer to fix issues (and this includes the unlimited).

TSI Extreme 28/1 (35/3 after Migration): $46.99 with 300GB Usage
TSI Extreme with Unlimited: $61.95

Rogers Extreme 35/3: $61.99 with 120GB Usage
Rogers Extreme with Unlimited: $91.99

You're bill will increase by $30 with Rogers with Unlimited Extreme service, I doubt they will give you a 50% discount on internet service alone.

If you bundle services, thats no longer an apples to apples comparison now. You can get VoIP service including unlimited long distance to 30+ countries for as little as $20~30 from various companies as well. Bundling defeats the purpose of value too, you're now paying for 3 services (all save for TV that you could get cheaper else where) just to say you have discounted internet.

Rogers will have tighter turn around times for resolving technical issues, that might be worth the extra $30 to some.

bdoyledimou

join:2002-08-20
Markham, ON

I am one of the honest peeps who pay Tek for unlimited even though i probably don't need it, except i can't tell because i have no meter to determine if i do or not.

unlimited on Rogers for me would be +$10 (I have cable and home phone and mobile as well) with my bundle discount (20% on all services) i would pay $59 instead of the $62 i pay Tek ($3.00 less) and get faster service (35/3) than my 28/1 and when i get 10/1 i can call and complain.

Even is i was paying $70 for the faster speeds and unlimited it would be worth it for accountability sake alone -- i hate paying fuill price for half of a service, and Tek has not ONCE offered to make that up to me.



TypeS

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And what is the total cost of the entire bundle every month? It's going to be much higher than one service from TekSavvy. I can see some value in their home phone service (for some, definitely not for me since they no long distance offering) but cable TV service is definitely lacking in value. I remember watching at most 25% of channels I was being forced to pay for and only watching a few hours a day.

That tripple play bundle seems to have a lot less value do it than offerings from TPIAs and VoIP providers.



koolin

join:2005-12-20
Canada
reply to TypeS

35/3 with 300GB will NOT be $46.99 on APOI, it will be considerably higher. Unlimited might not even exist.

bdoyledimou already had TV and home phone so how is it fair comparing the entire bundle to one service from teksavvy. Lets compare his total cost per month with 3 services from Rogers to 2 services from Rogers + internet from teksavvy. If its just like what I switched to, its the same monthly cost for so much more (faster speeds, better service and unlimited). You don't even need triple play to get the discounts.



TypeS

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I am not comparing the entire bundle but the total costs. He's trying to put forth TekSavvy has lost its value but getting the cheaper price at the competitor is based on certain conditions. And as I said, there are many, many customers who don't pay for cable anymore. It is the least valuable service Rogers has too offer. And yes you can get discounts without Tripple play but it will be as big as with Tripple play and never make them cheap enough to compete with TPIA prices.


bt

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said by TypeS:

And as I said, there are many, many customers who don't pay for cable anymore.

The raw numbers may seem high, but it estimated that only about 8% of Canadian households don't have paid TV service. That's not a big slice of the market.


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reply to London1983

where are people getting this idea rogers is a better deal. The most they will do with me is %20 off plus $30 for unlimited and free modem for a year. That is god awful. Wish I had access to the 3rd party cable and high DSL speeds in my area.

Rogers offered me unlimited extreme plus for 95 bloody bucks a month.


bdoyledimou

join:2002-08-20
Markham, ON
reply to koolin

exactly -- you get it -- i HAVE services already (the wife wont let me ditch them -- they will stay) Rogers was more costly for me when paying for extreme plus overages -- i moved to Tek 2 years ago -- for both support of the little guy as well as value for the money. NOW there is just support for the little guy -- my biggest concern is that i spent 18 of those 24 months getting half the speed i was paying for due to over selling the poi -- Markham wasn't "fixed" until Nov 2012 -- and now it's starting to struggle again --- is it a gamble i am willing to take? I guess i have until March 31 to decide that.


resa1983
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reply to London1983

Marc said they're pushing for fast APOI transition, not delaying it.

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reply to TypeS

said by TypeS:

It's not really known [whether and/or when] TSI will take the extended deadline the CRTC set.

Marc has said they've been more eager to get APOI to offer the new speed tiers from Rogers.

They know customers want them, especially now since there is pressure from Rogers with unlimited offerings.

Probably should wait for Marc to explain TSI's plan forward after the last 2 CRTC decisions....

 
Also, if TSI switches to the Rogers APOI feed, they will immediately have access to about 20 more individual legacy POIs (aka more possible new customers) than the 30 which they currently serve, as well as not needing some of their ordered/scheduled upgrades for the existing 30 POIs.

Please correct me if my exact figures are off somewhat, but I think they were posted here within the past few days, and it's the general IDEA which matters, even if I'm off by a few.

Furthermore, it would be in Rogers' best interest to encourage an early changeover, so as not to have to do some of the same work twice for TSI.

However, what will happen in the APOI known as 'The GOUGEco Gulag' is a whole separate topic.

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creed3020
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lol I like that last point Dave.

The gulag where internet users go to be be punished for their Internet Browsing, Video Streaming, Online game playing bad habits!



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reply to London1983

I could swear that I saw Marc say that TSI wasn't going to change their APOI migration schedule despite the extension...
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said by Davesnothere:

....However, what will happen in the APOI known as 'The GOUGEco Gulag' is a whole separate topic.

said by creed3020:

lol I like that last point, Dave.

The gulag where internet users go to be be punished for their Internet Browsing, Video Streaming, Online game playing bad habits!

 
[radio announcer voice]
Yes folks, it's The GOUGEco Gulag, an elite club, and if you live in Mister Rogers' 'Hood, sorry, but you are NOT invited !
[/radio announcer voice]

Nyaaa, Nya Nya, Nyaaa, Nyaaah....