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openbox9
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join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2
reply to Fangz

Re: How to prove your guilty...

This isn't about proving your guilt. Rather it seems about you attempting to prove your innocence, or at least jumping through hoops to get your connection back.


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
said by openbox9:

This isn't about proving your guilt. Rather it seems about you attempting to prove your innocence, or at least jumping through hoops to get your connection back.

Sorry which ISPs disconnect you? Oh that's right ZERO. And sorry exactly ZERO people will also get 6 strikes by mistake

openbox9
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join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2
Walled garden. I consider that essentially a non-connection. I'm not suggesting that anyone will legitimately be identified six time incorrectly. You should be careful using absolutes in your discussion, IMO.

TheRogueX

join:2003-03-26
Springfield, MO
reply to openbox9
Isn't that great? We live in a country where you're supposed to be innocent until PROVEN guilty, yet this system forces you to PROVE your innocence. And somehow the courts are ok with that.

openbox9
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join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2
This isn't a criminal procedure in a court of law. Perhaps the courts can look at the legality if someone sues an ISP and/or the CCI.


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to openbox9
said by openbox9:

Walled garden. I consider that essentially a non-connection. I'm not suggesting that anyone will legitimately be identified six time incorrectly. You should be careful using absolutes in your discussion, IMO.

You mention disconnection which will NOT happened since it is not mentioned anywhere. Any supposed disconnection would only happen after 6 strikes regardless. For an innocent person to be disconnected they would have to be wrongly accused 6 times. Not seeing where my post was incorrect. Sorry NOT going to happen.

Chubbysumo

join:2009-12-01
Superior, WI
Reviews:
·Charter
said by 88615298:

For an innocent person to be disconnected they would have to be wrongly accused 6 times. Not seeing where my post was incorrect. Sorry NOT going to happen.

whats your IP, I can show you how easy it can happen. I can make myself show up to Mediasentry(the CCI hired monitoring firm) as any IP address that I want, and I bet I can make you get 6 false accusations really fast. The sad part, is that its probably DNS redirecting, which anyone whos worth their salt in tech knowledge would not be using their ISPs DNS servers.

Chubbysumo

join:2009-12-01
Superior, WI
Reviews:
·Charter
reply to openbox9
well, considering how the courts have said that the monitoring firms "evidence" does nothing more than identify a subscriber household and does not identify the actual person doing the downloading, how can the CCI even send out anything remotely related to legal proceedings(even in this case) under that evidence? If the courts will no longer accept it, how can they accuse anyone under it. I am waiting for the first person to be accused, and sue the CCI and Mediasentry(and file a temp or perm injunction).

openbox9
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join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2
reply to 88615298
Semantics. Fine, you won't be disconnected, just restricted from doing most useful/productive things with your connection.

openbox9
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join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2
reply to Chubbysumo
said by Chubbysumo:

how can the CCI even send out anything remotely related to legal proceedings(even in this case) under that evidence? If the courts will no longer accept it, how can they accuse anyone under it.

Why do you think these empty agreements were struck with the ISPs