| Comcast CAS has to be stopped! The comcast CAS/6 strike policy has to be stopped. I am all for piracy reduction but this is a nightmare.
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The fifth and sixth warnings are considered “mitigation-focused alerts” and will consist of a persistent in-browser notification that can only be dismissed after a user calls Comcast and has an informative discussion about copyright issues and legal downloading alternatives.
Who will I be talking to? Some lacky making $9 an hour that probably pirates movies and porn at home and is reading from a script on the other end of the phone? What a frigging joke!!!
Comcast is using deep packet inspection...basically they are monitoring my entire internet activity. So, if I post or do anything that goes against their so called principles then they could cut off my access. Or they can limit my access to sites such as Hulu, Netflix, Amazon VOD, CNN, etc.. and force me to only get content from their services.
Not one law enforcement agency is taking part in the CAS/6 strike system. Not one local/state/federal law is backing up this system...which means that the entertainment industry and the ISPs are acting as private security forces.
They cannot determine beyond a reasonable doubt that it was me that was involved in pirating or copyright infringement. IP/MAC spoofing prevents that. Unless the public screams bloody murder on this then nothing can be done. |
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 FBGuyPremium
join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL | Do you have any facts to back up what you are saying? |
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tpkatl
join:2009-11-16
Dacula, GA | reply to mweisberg
Nice of you to wake up.
This has been in the works for 6 months, and broadly speaking the RIAA and MIAA have been trying to strongarm the ISPs for at least a decade. (I used the term strongarm - perhaps 'force' or 'coerce' or 'blackmail' might be more accurate.
The music and movie people are under the (mistaken) belief that they are being stolen from. What they fail to realize is that a lot of downloaders would never have bought their stuff anyway. So there's perceived or imagined loss, not real lost sales.
But this CAS will fail. I'll just start using a VPN. |
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 pflogBueller? Bueller?Premium,MVM
join:2001-09-01
El Dorado Hills, CA
kudos:3 | said by tpkatl:But this CAS will fail. I'll just start using a VPN.
Or SSL. That would thwart DPI, unless they start blocking by destination addresses. I don't know if SSL would work for what you all do but at least in theory SSL would stop DPI.
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Let me let you guys in on a little secret...this entire six strikes policy is easy to defeat by using third party DNS servers... |
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| I have used opendns for years...but that doesn't prevent deep packet inspection.
VPN is going to become very popular very quickly. |
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 whfsdudePremium
join:2003-04-05
Washington, DC | reply to mweisberg
I'm pretty sure their 6 strikes system works on receiving DMCA complaints from trusted third parties. |
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In-browser notifications can only be done by deep packet inspection. Even if you change dns, this can still be done.
Take a look and you will see a lot more about the CAS: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_alert_system |
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And who are these '3rd parties'...the mpaa/riaa or is it from common everyday people?
This is an extremely slippery slope. |
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 egeek84Premium
join:2011-07-28
Livermore, CA
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Well from what i've read, it looks like Comcast won't actually send the alerts until a copyright owner has sent THEM a notice claiming that they were pirating. (see first screenshot in link i've posted below)
Check out this article that Ars Technica posted yesterday about how how the CAS is going to look like for Comcast users:
»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013···ks-like/
**yay for posting in right thread lol** |
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 KrisnatharokCaveat EmptorPremium
join:2009-02-11
Earth Orbit
kudos:7 | reply to mweisberg
Let me guess, you actually pirate stuff. |
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 gar187erI do this for a living
join:2006-06-24
Dover, DE
kudos:4 | reply to mweisberg
these will most likely pop up via the comcast homepage. which pegs the question what if we dont use the home page?
there is so much misinformation out there, until someone posts real proof/footage, im not buying any of it. use your vpn, encryption, IP blockers and whatever else.....
comcast already said they arent monitoring what you do, these alerts will be initiated by the watchdogs (mpaa, riaa, etc) and comcast is agreeing to pass on the message.
but they do keep logs, so if a lawsuit comes up, they hand over your activity log and if the time and dates match up, then youre busted.
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Couldn't your ISP still trace your tracks even with a VPN? You always leave an electronic fingerprint behind. I under stand what a VPN is and does, but with a cat and mouse game like this it appears that the ISPs would be wise to this. (?)
The way I look at it is if you don't do it you don't have to worry about it. Is it really worth the time and effort to save a few bucks when you can stream a movie for a few measly bucks and be done with it? Just my 2 cents worth. |
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said by Krisnatharok:Let me guess, you actually pirate stuff.
And let me guess...you don't care that they can monitor what you do so long as it doesn't effect what you are doing. But the first time you get a CAS warning, you'll be shitting mad as you'll know you didn't do anything wrong because you don't do anything illegal. |
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 Cthen
join:2004-08-01
Detroit, MI
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said by mweisberg:And who are these '3rd parties'...the mpaa/riaa or is it from common everyday people?
This is an extremely slippery slope.
Your freaking out yet you have no clue about this part of it either? 
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My whole point to this, is that this idea of a CAS really isn't about copyright infringement but rather about content control.
Think about this:
In a year or two what is to say that Comcast isn't going to implement something like this: "In an effort to combat household network congestion, we will now be limiting online streaming content to one (1) device per household. We encourage you to use your Comcast DVR and the VOD service." Or how about something like this: "In an effort to provide a consistent and efficient experience to all of our customers, Comcast will prioritizing access to certain websites during peak network times. Please visit xfinity.com/websites to learn more" |
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said by Cthen:said by mweisberg:And who are these '3rd parties'...the mpaa/riaa or is it from common everyday people?
This is an extremely slippery slope.
Your freaking out yet you have no clue about this part of it either? That is my point...who does because Comcast certainly hasn't written it out and hasn't provided it. While there is info on the website, it doesn't go into detail where this comes from. |
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KrisnatharokCaveat EmptorPremium
join:2009-02-11
Earth Orbit
kudos:7 | reply to mweisberg
said by mweisberg:Who will I be talking to? Some lacky making $9 an hour that probably pirates movies and porn at home and is reading from a script on the other end of the phone? What a frigging joke!!! said by mweisberg:So, if I post or do anything that goes against their so called principles then they could cut off my access. Or they can limit my access to sites such as Hulu, Netflix, Amazon VOD, CNN, etc.. and force me to only get content from their services. You're not exactly making a compelling argument when you are appealing to ad hominem attacks and dramatic (and probably untrue) statements of exaggeration.
You are purchasing their services, they have a vested interest to see they are not facilitating illegal activity. How would you suggest they do that?
On a personal note, I stream all my movies from Amazon/Hulu/Xfinity, and have never, ever gotten a C&D letter despite the better part of 250 GB each month (damn Steam games) for the past 5 years on Comcast.
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 tshirtPremium,MVM
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kudos:3 | reply to mweisberg
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KrisnatharokCaveat EmptorPremium
join:2009-02-11
Earth Orbit
kudos:7 | reply to mweisberg
said by mweisberg:My whole point to this, is that this idea of a CAS really isn't about copyright infringement but rather about content control.
Think about this:
In a year or two what is to say that Comcast isn't going to implement something like this: "In an effort to combat household network congestion, we will now be limiting online streaming content to one (1) device per household. We encourage you to use your Comcast DVR and the VOD service." Or how about something like this: "In an effort to provide a consistent and efficient experience to all of our customers, Comcast will prioritizing access to certain websites during peak network times. Please visit xfinity.com/websites to learn more"
You're complaining about IPR and it somehow morphs into net neutrality? That's rich.
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