 KrisnatharokCaveat EmptorPremium
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Re: Comcast CAS has to be stopped! It's in the thief's best interest to do as much fear mongering as possible (this thread is a good example) to scare the law-abiding types into creating enough white noise to scare off enforcement efforts so he can continue to get away with his thievery. The support (or apathy) of the non-criminals towards enforcement efforts is no doubt infuriating to him.
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said by Krisnatharok:Let me guess, you actually pirate stuff.
Way to miss the point of the issue there my friend...
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KrisnatharokCaveat EmptorPremium
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kudos:7 | No, I understand the point completely:
said by Krisnatharok:It's in the thief's best interest to do as much fear mongering as possible (this thread is a good example) to scare the law-abiding types into creating enough white noise to scare off enforcement efforts so he can continue to get away with his thievery. The support (or apathy) of the non-criminals towards enforcement efforts is no doubt infuriating to him.
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 PeteC2Got Mouse?Premium,MVM
join:2002-01-20
Bristol, CT
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said by mweisberg:And let me guess...you don't care that they can monitor what you do so long as it doesn't effect what you are doing. But the first time you get a CAS warning, you'll be shitting mad as you'll know you didn't do anything wrong because you don't do anything illegal.
Well, here is the whole thing in a nutshell: You are correct on both counts! 
1. Since I am doing nothing illegal, I most certainly could care less about them monitoring for illegal activities!
2. However, also correct, you bet that if I got a CAS warning I would be hopping mad...because I would have done nothing to earn one...therefore indicating that there was a problem with the CAS system...in which case, yes, it would need to change.
I will not presuppose a problem that has yet to manifest itself. In other words - I won't lose a minute's sleep over CAS/6.
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PeteC2Got Mouse?Premium,MVM
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said by Moropo:said by Krisnatharok:Let me guess, you actually pirate stuff.
Way to miss the point of the issue there my friend... Why no. It appears that you miss the point.
CAS/6 is only onerous to those who want to acquire property that is not rightfully theirs. When I was a kid, we simply called it stealing.
If it morphs into something else, then it can be dealt with at that time.
Krisnathorak called it as it is: Those who are mad at CAS/6 for being exactly what it is purported to be - a tool against theft of copyrighted content, try to enlist the ire of those who have nothing to fear from it in order to maintain their ability to steal media.
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| said by PeteC2:said by Moropo:said by Krisnatharok:Let me guess, you actually pirate stuff.
Way to miss the point of the issue there my friend... Why no. It appears that you miss the point. CAS/6 is only onerous to those who want to acquire property that is not rightfully theirs. When I was a kid, we simply called it stealing. If it morphs into something else, then it can be dealt with at that time. Krisnathorak called it as it is: Those who are mad at CAS/6 for being exactly what it is purported to be - a tool against theft of copyrighted content, try to enlist the ire of those who have nothing to fear from it in order to maintain their ability to steal media. Only onerous to those who want to acquire property that is not rightfully theirs? Right. Then why does it piss me off? I don't pirate shit (Pandora and Hulu do well enough for me and all the software I use is either free or already paid for) and even if I did, I'm not using an ISP who is participating in this bullshit.
I'm a systems and software engineering lead, I develop applications for a living, copyright is how I get paid. This. Pisses. Me. Off. Why? Because it costs participating ISPs money to implement and maintain the systems required to participate in CAS. They are not going to eat this cost; prices will go up. Why do I care if I'm not using one of those ISPs? Because then *my* ISP will see the opportunity to raise their prices, since they will still be competitive with the big players who have just raised theirs.
And the bigger point: Who the fuck do the RIAA and MPAA think they are? I all but stopped buying CDs around the same time I got my firs job and could afford more than one per month because of their bullshit tactics with DRM, namely the Sony rootkit fiasco. I've bought maybe a dozen MP3s through legit services (unless someone wants to tell me Amazon and the current incarnation of Napster are otherwise, in which case don't bother replying), so I've spent a grand total of $11.88 on music in the last 13 years; compare that to the $15/mo I was spending up to that point, compounded by the fact that this was allowance money and I basically stopped buying from them when I could have afforded 1 CD per week, or more, so figure they started losing $15/wk from me, $780/yr, $10,140 since they proved to me that they would rather temporarily annoy someone who might think about ripping a CD to MP3 and uploading it than treat their paying customers with any respect. Anyone with any amount of self respect has done the same. $10k multiplied by hundreds of thousands of people is billions of dollars, and still a low estimate as many would have bought more.
Piracy isn't what's killing the content industry. Shitty customer service is. CAS pisses me off because the RIAA was starting to show that they had changed their ways and I was starting to plan future music purchases. Those won't be happening now, because the content industry has, once again, shown that they do not care whether I pay them or not, they are going to treat me like a thief. That is why CAS pisses me off.
Perhaps you're projecting your reasons for being pissed onto others here? Personally, I used to pirate a large amount of software, back before I could afford it, while saving up to eventually buy it. I now own all of the software I use. My CDs are all ripped to MP3 and hidden in shoeboxes of shame (shame for the industry I supported by buying them) and the few DVDs and Blu Ray discs I have are kept in drawers, so I'm not showing my guests that I've spent my own money to support such a horrid industry. From the outside, I look like a huge pirate, but the opposite could not be more true. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that you've got a fair bit of questionably-obtained content, yourself, however, given that you immediately jump to "anyone who doesn't like this is a dirty pirate". |
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said by MJB:if someone uploads their own music (not with the riaa or any major record label) to the pirate bay for people to download for free. The person will get a copyright notice for downloading the content that is suppose to be free..
RIAA/MPAA MAFIA Wants to Control The Market Place...
UUhh, no they won't. I upload the works of local artists (with written permission) on regular basis to promote them with Pirate Bay being one of the many public trackers I upload to.
You do realize that when you make stuff up no one will take you seriously?
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said by JohnInSJ:First, you have to steal something.
At which time the victim of the theft should file a criminal complaint with the appropriate AG/DA.
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join:2012-01-29 | riaa/mpaa want content control
did you watch the pirate bay afk documentary |
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said by PeteC2:1. Since I am doing nothing illegal, I most certainly could care less about them monitoring for illegal activities!
Reporting an alleged violation is different from taking punitive action which CAS effectively does by making users jump through unnecessary hoops including paths involving unspecified CSA education and paying additional fees to restore access to a service they have already paid for. Whenever I see vigilantism I'm concerned.
If you have reason to think something illegal has been done you report it to the authorities or pursuit a civil remedy. Nobody has the right to take matters into their own hands. |
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said by tpkatl:The music and movie people are under the (mistaken) belief that they are being stolen from. What they fail to realize is that a lot of downloaders would never have bought their stuff anyway. So there's perceived or imagined loss, not real lost sales.
So if I go to the store I can take anything as long as I was not planning to buy it otherwise? |
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said by NormanS:said by JohnInSJ:First, you have to steal something.
At which time the victim of the theft should file a criminal complaint with the appropriate AG/DA. Or, in the case of use of internet in the theft, file a complaint with the ISP.
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NormanSPremium,MVM
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| said by JohnInSJ:said by NormanS:said by JohnInSJ:First, you have to steal something.
At which time the victim of the theft should file a criminal complaint with the appropriate AG/DA. Or, in the case of use of internet in the theft, file a complaint with the ISP. You would report theft to an ISP? Why? No ISP has either police power, or judicial authority to act against criminals! That is why we have AGs and DAs!
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KrisnatharokCaveat EmptorPremium
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kudos:7 | Yeah, and you would never report a theft you observed to a department store? |
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As you well know NormanS  many artist choose to be represented, by studios covered by riaa/mpaa because the task of monitoring, notifying and perusing a judgments against individual copyright violators as well beyond the ability of a single artist.
Part of maintaining/retaining copyrights and/or patents REQUIRES the rights owner, or their agent/agency to ' vigorously' defend and peruse all known violators.
So basically the riaa/mpaa MUST continue their efforts as part of their fiduary resposiblity to their clients |
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| said by tshirt:Part of maintaining/retaining copyrights and/or patents REQUIRES the rights owner, or their agent/agency to ' vigorously' defend and peruse all known violators.
No, you are confusing trademark with copyright law. |
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AVonGaussPremium
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Boynton Beach, FL | reply to tshirt
That is true, but the RIAA and MPAA have shown in the very recent past that they take the responsibility of protecting their copyright a bit too overzealously, and even at times have erroneously reported violations that did not occur. I don't think you'd be able to come up with too many recent examples of relatively recent work that have had their protection status revoked due to neglection - its just not that fragile.
Even if I assume that everyone involved has the "best of intentions", its still an endrun around due process and more than likely in the end will be discontinued for a multitude of legal reasons. |
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said by tshirt:As you well know NormanS many artist choose to be represented, by studios covered by riaa/mpaa because the task of monitoring, notifying and perusing a judgments against individual copyright violators as well beyond the ability of a single artist.
Part of maintaining/retaining copyrights and/or patents REQUIRES the rights owner, or their agent/agency to ' vigorously' defend and peruse all known violators.
So basically the riaa/mpaa MUST continue their efforts as part of their fiduary resposiblity to their clients
But I thought the discussion was, "theft", not "copyright"!
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said by Krisnatharok:Yeah, and you would never report a theft you observed to a department store?
Well, if it was theft, as contrasted with copyright violation.
Okay, let's try a serious over simplification. Reprise Records presses 100 copies of some singer's works, and puts them in the wholesale channel at $2.50 per album. 12 retailers buy up all 100 albums, and Reprise Records nets $250 in revenues. The 12 retailers put these albums on sale for $5.00 each, and sell out. The retailers net $500 in revenues. One of the buyers from one of the retailers, a certain Jack Sparrow, burns his album to .mp3s, and makes a torrent available. 1,000 torrenters grab this album. So what, exactly, was stolen?
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