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Re: CRTC Decision Just thought of a couple more possible flies in the ozonol...
-Can Bell appeal that CRTC decision on their CBB rates, and throw everything into disarray again on the DSL side?
-Are some of the cable connection rates, at least with the Rogers new speeds (25/2, 35/3, 45/4), still being applied on an 'interim' basis? Might those actually get worse (higher) in the future, once a 'final' rate is granted by the CRTC?
I'm just thinking these possibilities might make the IISP's move carefully for now!
Of course, these types of worries may just be 'business as usual' for the IISP's. |
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| said by jasmo34:-Can Bell appeal that CRTC decision on their CBB rates, and throw everything into disarray again on the DSL side?
In my opinion, i think Bell would be smart to just "work" with the independent ISP's (become a good partner, so both sides can profit). Bell can steal a lot of customers from Cogeco ($25 per mbps CBB rates versus around $10 (i think ?) mbps CBB rates from Bell) -- doesn't matter if they are Bell retail customers or IISP customers -- Bell still makes money. If Bell is willing, it could end up being a good arrangement (like it has been in the past between them and the Independents). |
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kudos:6 | said by silvercat:said by jasmo34:-Can Bell appeal that CRTC decision on their CBB rates, and throw everything into disarray again on the DSL side?
In my opinion, I think Bell would be smart to just "work" with the independent ISP's....
"And so goes the ebb and flow of customer churn...."
Also, if Bell were to try to 'play nice' with the IISPs for the next while at least, besides that they might lure some folks away from IISP Cable TPIA, those customers' current IISP would still make a cut if the customer still involved THEM in the equation, rather than an alternate IISP.
IISPs could play one incumbent against another, as to where they would steer their end-customers (and customers in fast enough service areas might switch back to DSL if install fees were low enough), which might well induce the Cablecos to blink on CBB pricing, no matter WHAT they had already convinced the CRTC that their justifiable expenses are.
And there is nothing to say that a Cableco cannot even now negotiate a less expensive 'Off-Tariff' deal with an IISP, even for AGG-POI, and some of them might be open to the idea if they were gently nudged by tangible 'bean-countable' customer loss projections/observations, rather than if forced by the CRTC.
Money talks, and all that....
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said by silvercat:In my opinion, i think Bell would be smart to just "work" with the independent ISP's For a few months there seems to be a genuine renewed interest in this, it's a little early to tell how fruitful it'll be but it's good to see a change in direction. |
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said by jasmo34:Can Bell appeal that CRTC decision on their CBB rates, and throw everything into disarray again on the DSL side? It's very unlikely, for reasons I can't say due to NDA.
said by jasmo34:-Are some of the cable connection rates, at least with the Rogers new speeds (25/2, 35/3, 45/4), still being applied on an 'interim' They are final. Even though the 2011-703 mentioned them as the old speeds they are actually referring to the new CBB based speeds in reality, ie nothing has changed for the disaggregated TPIA other than a 6 month extension for migration. |
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kudos:6 | said by rocca:said by jasmo34:-Are some of the cable connection rates, at least with the Rogers new speeds (25/2, 35/3, 45/4), still being applied on an 'interim' They are final. Even though the 2011-703 mentioned them as the old speeds they are actually referring to the new CBB based speeds in reality, ie nothing has changed for the disaggregated TPIA other than a 6 month extension for migration.
Which simply put, means that IISPs such as TSI have the option of procrastinating the announcement of their Red package changes a bit longer, as long as they are not ready to serve areas where they would need AGG-TPIA ?
And all IISPs could hold off on announcing DSL package changes if they choose to, as the Bell CBB rates went down ?
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| said by Davesnothere:Which simply put, means that IISPs such as TSI have the option of procrastinating the announcement of their Red package changes a bit longer, as long as they are not ready to serve areas where they would need AGG-TPIA ? And don't want the higher speeds. |
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said by Davesnothere:Which simply put, means that IISPs such as TSI have the option of procrastinating the announcement of their Red package changes a bit longer, as long as they are not ready to serve areas where they would need AGG-TPIA ? said by TSI Marc :On the Rogers side, ... For rates, whatever changes that may happen, would only happen after we migrate everybody [to AGG-TPIA]. Once we get done with everything else, we'll look at it all more closely. |
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kudos:2 | Prices are up for TSI: »[Cable] NEW RATES - Cogeco
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| Peachy. And TSI Marc has amended it now to include "unlimited usage between 2am and 8am" for "all packages everywhere", meaning all plans, all carriers! The window is a bit tight -- I'd like to see 12midnight through 12noon instead -- but it's a wonderful step forward. |
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Ours will be out this week. |
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| said by rocca:Ours will be out this week. Good to hear that, hopefully their will be an unlimited window. |
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is that gonna include changes for both rogers and cogeco, or? |
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kudos:1 | said by hrmlala :is that gonna include changes for both rogers and cogeco, or?
Rocca said he was hoping for minimal or maybe even no changes for Rogers-area pricing and usage. |
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said by JCohen:Good to hear that, hopefully their will be an unlimited window. Yes there will be. |
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| said by rocca:said by JCohen:Good to hear that, hopefully their will be an unlimited window. Yes there will be. Awesome, hopefully the new plans will make me want to give up my grandfathered standard plan. |
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| said by JCohen:said by rocca:said by JCohen:Good to hear that, hopefully their will be an unlimited window. Yes there will be. Awesome, hopefully the new plans will make me want to give up my grandfathered standard plan. That would be the Start's plan. As they would be loosing money on grandfathered plans. |
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said by rocca:said by JCohen:Good to hear that, hopefully their will be an unlimited window. Yes there will be. For Red areas as well?
Teksavvy just announced theres, and their Red area has an unlimited window.
Wow, hope start competes with teksavvys, their quotas are better at the moment. (even though no Teksavvy cable in brantford, it will be here one day..) |
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| said by brassy:said by rocca:said by JCohen:Good to hear that, hopefully their will be an unlimited window. Yes there will be. For Red areas as well? Teksavvy just announced theres, and their Red area has an unlimited window. Wow, hope start competes with teksavvys, their quotas are better at the moment. (even though no Teksavvy cable in brantford, it will be here one day..) I hope Start puts their caps back to 300G to match TSI recent Red plans. I would hate the hassle to switch back to TSI over 50G of usage, I'm on Starts 35/3/250G plan. »[Cable] NEW RATES - Rogers |
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said by brassy:For Red areas as well?
Yes.
said by brassy:Wow, hope start competes with teksavvys, their quotas are better at the moment. (even though no Teksavvy cable in brantford, it will be here one day..)
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