 mobOn the next level..Premium
join:2000-10-07 | reply to Dude111
Re: No...Users should pay based on the TOU. TOU billing is the only way we can finally make all the energy hogs pay their fair share. Unlike bandwidth, electricity is finite. |
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | reply to mob
Re: Smart meter coming said by mob:Because why should the electric company know how much electricity a customer uses, and when they use it? Really? As to when, you might have a slight argument. But as to how much? The power company doesn't have a right to know how much power you're using?
If I'm missing your advanced sarcasm, my apologies. Otherwise, I'm with everyone in your avatar. |
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ke4pymPremium
join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC Reviews:
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said by mob:said by ke4pym:Not sure what the big deal is and why people are freaking out.
They put one on the side of my house (cellular based, complete with IP address) for the solar panels and it just sits there and minds its own business.
Because why should the electric company know how much electricity a customer uses, and when they use it? That's an invasion of privacy. Well, last I checked, they need to know how much you used so you can get a shiny bill each month.
We don't have TOU here, so that's no biggie. |
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said by mob:said by ke4pym:Not sure what the big deal is and why people are freaking out.
They put one on the side of my house (cellular based, complete with IP address) for the solar panels and it just sits there and minds its own business.
Because why should the electric company know how much electricity a customer uses, and when they use it? That's an invasion of privacy. lmfao. I saw what you did there. Well played sir! |
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 Dude111An Awesome DudePremium
join:2003-08-04
USA
kudos:11 | reply to ke4pym
Yes and the meters NOW keep track of your usage BELIEVE ME  |
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said by Dude111:I agree!!!
People agree to pay them for usage which should be enough!!
Did you happen to notice Mob's avatar?
LOL |
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mobOn the next level..Premium
join:2000-10-07 | reply to Dude111
Yeah. I heard the new meters can be shut off remotely too. That way when they come to take you nobody will know. |
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 LazManPremium
join:2003-03-26
canada | reply to SparkChaser
Re: Smart meter coming I went to a remote-read smart-meter with time-of-use billing about a year and a half ago or so...
Didn't see any real difference in the bills, one way or the other... Didn't go down, in any meaningful way; but didn't go up, either.
One of my wive's friends had a case where her bill went up dramatically with the new smart meter; but I'm pretty sure the old mechanical one was running slow, so even replacing with a new 'old' meter would likely have had the same result.
My bigger complaint is the ToU rates - I guess people have been too good at switching their usage to off-peak times, so the local utility has jacked the off-peak rate so that it's not much different then the peak one... |
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 IowaCowboyWant to go back to IowaPremium
join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA
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Central Maine Power installed a smart meter at my grandma's house last year.
I am hoping Western Mass Electric installs them in the future. Our neighbor in the duplex moved out and shut the power off, leaving the pipes in danger of freezing. The landlord had to wait two days to get the power turned back on so they gave us a $10 rent credit and she ran an extension cord off our power to run a space heater.
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Re: Smart meter coming |
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scooper
join:2000-07-11
Youngsville, NC
kudos:2 | Because people are stupid ? uninformed about what they're doing ? |
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 tschmidtPremium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
kudos:8
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said by nonamesleft:The poor "tinfoil hat" excuse, just doesn't work anymore. None of the links you posted have anything to do with smart meters.
I agree with you the Internet of things poses a number of privacy problems.
Smart meters have a number of advantages in reducing labor costs and timely notification of outages.
Peak generation is very expensive. Commercial customers are already billed that way I see no reason residential customers should be exempt. Knowing peak times coupled with smart appliances let folks decide to consume energy now or delay it in exchange for lower cost.
Smart appliances will also fit in well with emergency generation allowing peak load to be controlled so it does not exceed generating capacity. However that has nothing to do with smart meters.
Lastly there is the exciting possibility of using electric vehicles to pump power back into the grid during peak times - to reduce the need for expensive peaking plants.
/Tom
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| said by tschmidt:said by nonamesleft:The poor "tinfoil hat" excuse, just doesn't work anymore. None of the links you posted have anything to do with smart meters. I agree with you the Internet of things poses a number of privacy problems. Smart meters have a number of advantages in reducing labor costs and timely notification of outages. Peak generation is very expensive. Commercial customers are already billed that way I see no reason residential customers should be exempt. Knowing peak times coupled with smart appliances let folks decide to consume energy now or delay it in exchange for lower cost. Smart appliances will also fit in well with emergency generation allowing peak load to be controlled so it does not exceed generating capacity. However that has nothing to do with smart meters. Lastly there is the exciting possibility of using electric vehicles to pump power back into the grid during peak times - to reduce the need for expensive peaking plants. /Tom Those electronics could receive commands sent to the smart meter, so technically yes they do have something to do with smart meters, just not at this very moment. |
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tschmidtPremium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
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| said by nonamesleft:Those electronics could receive commands sent to the smart meter
Or they could just be accessed directly over the Internet, no smart meter needed.
I share your concern about loss of privacy to corporations and government. However: smart meters are pretty low on my list of things to worry about.
On balance I think they bring significant benefit with little downside.
/tom |
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Dude111An Awesome DudePremium
join:2003-08-04
USA
kudos:11 | I read a thread on davidicke.com/forum recently "Wireless routers make you ill" and i believe they do!!
A smart meter would be sending that WIFI signal 24/7!!!!!
I think its quite benefical to PAY THEM TO KEEP SENDING SOMEONE TO CHECK THE REGULAR METER.. (Its all about $$$$ anyway) |
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 SparkChaserPremium
join:2000-06-06
Downingtown, PA
kudos:3
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| That's in the UK. The signal is on the left hand side of the spectrum, much worse.
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 Coma Thanks StevePremium
join:2001-12-30
NirvanaLand | reply to Dude111
said by Dude111:I read a thread on davidicke.com/forum recently "Wireless routers make you ill" and i believe they do!!
A smart meter would be sending that WIFI signal 24/7!!!!!
I think its quite benefical to PAY THEM TO KEEP SENDING SOMEONE TO CHECK THE REGULAR METER.. (Its all about $$$$ anyway)
You need this tinfoil hat more than I . . .
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ke4pymPremium
join:2004-07-24
Charlotte, NC Reviews:
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said by Dude111:I read a thread on davidicke.com/forum recently "Wireless routers make you ill" and i believe they do!!
A smart meter would be sending that WIFI signal 24/7!!!!!
I think its quite benefical to PAY THEM TO KEEP SENDING SOMEONE TO CHECK THE REGULAR METER.. (Its all about $$$$ anyway)
I can't speak to these smart meters, but mine does not use WIFI. It's on Verizon's cellular network.
Make who pay? The power company? Pffbt. You and I pay. Not the power company!  |
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WOW!!! What a bunch of fruit loops!!
It's funny, all the folks that have these issues and think like this are a certain type of personality.
How come no normal folks have these issues??
I think the type of person who has these issues is predisposed to have issues with SOMETHING, no matter what it is. |
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