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reply to NormanS

Re: Copyright Alert System

said by NormanS:

"Infraction", as a violation of a law, damned well is a matter of criminal jurisprudence. ... Third parties can't make determination of, "Guilt". They can make allegations of criminal conduct, even make "citizen's arrests"; but guilt is determined by a judge in a court of law.
It is not just upside down, neither is it inside out. It is pure, oppressive barbarism.

It appears we mean the same thing at root. Whereas you refer to guilt in a largely judicial sense, I've been referring to guilt in a more general dictionary sense, where one can be guilty of some infraction or transgression whether or not that involves a codified law. When it comes to punishment, common custom in civilized cultures is to require that guilt for whatever infraction be reasonably established before punishment can be administered. If a child 'lies' to a parent, normally the parent makes sure the lie really occurred before punishment is meted out (even if punishment is delivered through a 3rd party: "wait until your Father gets home"). In the case where "law" is involved, guilt is established in a court setting before sanctions are imposed. The principle remains the same, however: innocent (though perhaps suspect) until shown to be guilty, then punishment occurs. And indeed, with CAS, this principle is violated... which constitutes, as you well put it, oppressive barbarism.
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