 boognishPremium
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Baton Rouge, LA
kudos:6 | Exchange 2003 to 2013 Has anyone done it ? I know we will have to do an upgrade to 2010 first and then to 2013. I have to do something soon and I am just now starting to research my options. Just wanting to know opinions and pit falls to avoid.
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| Haven't done one yet, but have three in the queue. Not looking forward to telling clients it's going to cost them hundreds of extra dollars because MS couldn't be bothered to create an upgrade script. Please post back and let us know how it goes. |
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 ModusI hate smartassery on forumsPremium
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I went to mec2012 last year & they you would have to upgrade to 2010 then go to 2013. |
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boognishPremium
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I have ordered my hardware and I have gotten exchange 2013 with the CALS. Something I am not understanding though. Do you not get outlook anymore with the CALS and server. I think I just read you don't. How can not get a client with this anymore. If you don't want to purchase outlook separately are you expected just to use webmail ? Not including the client anymore doesn't make sense to me.
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 DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
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kudos:3 | I would bet they expect you to buy Office. or use a smart phone.
My guess is they're upping the "value" of the cals as there are more non-outlook clients for it.
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said by boognish:I have ordered my hardware and I have gotten exchange 2013 with the CALS. Something I am not understanding though. Do you not get outlook anymore with the CALS and server. I think I just read you don't. How can not get a client with this anymore. If you don't want to purchase outlook separately are you expected just to use webmail ? Not including the client anymore doesn't make sense to me.
I think they dropped the included Outlook CALs when Exchange 2007 shipped. Higher price, less value. It's the MS way. |
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| said by lorennerol:said by boognish:I have ordered my hardware and I have gotten exchange 2013 with the CALS. Something I am not understanding though. Do you not get outlook anymore with the CALS and server. I think I just read you don't. How can not get a client with this anymore. If you don't want to purchase outlook separately are you expected just to use webmail ? Not including the client anymore doesn't make sense to me.
I think they dropped the included Outlook CALs when Exchange 2007 shipped. Higher price, less value. It's the MS way. It was because of those of us who bitched moaned groaned and complained that we were being forced to purchase 2 licenses for one client. Really how many business machines what have access to email don't have an office suite installed already? |
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boognishPremium
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Baton Rouge, LA
kudos:6 | said by H_T_R_N:said by lorennerol:said by boognish:I have ordered my hardware and I have gotten exchange 2013 with the CALS. Something I am not understanding though. Do you not get outlook anymore with the CALS and server. I think I just read you don't. How can not get a client with this anymore. If you don't want to purchase outlook separately are you expected just to use webmail ? Not including the client anymore doesn't make sense to me.
I think they dropped the included Outlook CALs when Exchange 2007 shipped. Higher price, less value. It's the MS way. It was because of those of us who bitched moaned groaned and complained that we were being forced to purchase 2 licenses for one client. Really how many business machines what have access to email don't have an office suite installed already? I still have to buy the CALS and server with no client I can use unless there is some sort of open source. I have 50 2003 office and 50 2007 office. Now I have to upgrade all the 2003 and patch all the 2007 or buy outlook 2013. I had thought about installing postfix(which I would have preferred), since that is our front end, for a mail server. There are some issues happening that rushed this decision. If I had saw this coming it could have been a tipping point. I come from more of a *nix background and if it was solely my decision that is the way most things would go.
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said by H_T_R_N:said by lorennerol:said by boognish:I have ordered my hardware and I have gotten exchange 2013 with the CALS. Something I am not understanding though. Do you not get outlook anymore with the CALS and server. I think I just read you don't. How can not get a client with this anymore. If you don't want to purchase outlook separately are you expected just to use webmail ? Not including the client anymore doesn't make sense to me.
I think they dropped the included Outlook CALs when Exchange 2007 shipped. Higher price, less value. It's the MS way. It was because of those of us who bitched moaned groaned and complained that we were being forced to purchase 2 licenses for one client. Really how many business machines what have access to email don't have an office suite installed already? That would be a reasonable explanation if the price for Exchange had gone down when they stopped including Outlook CALs, but it went up instead. |
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said by boognish:I still have to buy the CALS and server with no client I can use unless there is some sort of open source. I have 50 2003 office and 50 2007 office. Now I have to upgrade all the 2003 and patch all the 2007 or buy outlook 2013. I had thought about installing postfix(which I would have preferred), since that is our front end, for a mail server. There are some issues happening that rushed this decision. If I had saw this coming it could have been a tipping point. I come from more of a *nix background and if it was solely my decision that is the way most things would go.
I'm sorry I thought you said Exchange 2010, not 2013. Yes the pain is that 2013 no longer supports RPC connection so 2003 and below are out as clients, though I haven't delved much into it. All the Exchange server I run are 07 and have ZERO need to upgrade, so I have been a little lazy digging into the new stuff. (relative term, as 2013 has been available to play with for about a year now.) |
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said by lorennerol:That would be a reasonable explanation if the price for Exchange had gone down when they stopped including Outlook CALs, but it went up instead.
I agree but name one thing that has gone down in price. |
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Franklin, OH | reply to boognish
said by boognish:I still have to buy the CALS and server with no client I can use unless there is some sort of open source. I have 50 2003 office and 50 2007 office. Now I have to upgrade all the 2003 and patch all the 2007 or buy outlook 2013. I had thought about installing postfix(which I would have preferred), since that is our front end, for a mail server. There are some issues happening that rushed this decision. If I had saw this coming it could have been a tipping point. I come from more of a *nix background and if it was solely my decision that is the way most things would go.
You are using 10 year old software what did you expect?
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said by H_T_R_N:said by lorennerol:That would be a reasonable explanation if the price for Exchange had gone down when they stopped including Outlook CALs, but it went up instead.
I agree but name one thing that has gone down in price. RAM, traditional disk drives, solid state disk drives, movies on Blu-Ray, housing prices, interest rates (how many do you want??) |
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boognishPremium
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The software has more than enough functionality to meet the users needs. Besides basic functionality in excel and outlook 90% of them do not need anything else. If it wasn't for some customers sharepoint servers they could use alternatives to excel that never quite works correctly in other spreadsheet software.
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said by lorennerol:said by H_T_R_N:said by lorennerol:That would be a reasonable explanation if the price for Exchange had gone down when they stopped including Outlook CALs, but it went up instead.
I agree but name one thing that has gone down in price. RAM, traditional disk drives, solid state disk drives, movies on Blu-Ray, housing prices, interest rates (how many do you want??) Sorry, I thought we were talking about Microsoft software. |
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AsherN
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Thornhill, ON | reply to boognish
said by boognish:I still have to buy the CALS and server with no client I can use unless there is some sort of open source. I have 50 2003 office and 50 2007 office. Now I have to upgrade all the 2003 and patch all the 2007 or buy outlook 2013. I had thought about installing postfix(which I would have preferred), since that is our front end, for a mail server. There are some issues happening that rushed this decision. If I had saw this coming it could have been a tipping point. I come from more of a *nix background and if it was solely my decision that is the way most things would go.
You buy server software and CALs to allow clients to access it. That client can be anything you want. If you want native connectivity, you require Outlook. With Exchange 2013, MS decided to no longer support RPC, so Outlook has to be 2007 or newer.
You are welcome to use any open source software if you access Exchange through ActiveSync, POP3 or IMAP. |
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DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
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kudos:3 | reply to lorennerol
said by lorennerol:That would be a reasonable explanation if the price for Exchange had gone down when they stopped including Outlook CALs, but it went up instead.
But now instead of just outlook as a client active sync devices are very common now so perhaps MS views that as the trade off, you lose outlook being included but now you're going to use iPhones and androids.
Lower the value in one way but raise it in another.
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| said by DarkLogix:said by lorennerol:That would be a reasonable explanation if the price for Exchange had gone down when they stopped including Outlook CALs, but it went up instead.
But now instead of just outlook as a client active sync devices are very common now so perhaps MS views that as the trade off, you lose outlook being included but now you're going to use iPhones and androids. Lower the value in one way but raise it in another. Exchange 2003 supports all those devices via ActiveSync; that's nothing new or added with 2007-2013.
What we did get in 2007 was larger and more databases in the Standard edition of Exchange. Hard to believe the original limit in Exchange 2003 was 16GB and one store for all mailboxes. |
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boognishPremium
join:2001-09-26
Baton Rouge, LA
kudos:6 | reply to AsherN
said by AsherN:You buy server software and CALs to allow clients to access it. That client can be anything you want. If you want native connectivity, you require Outlook. With Exchange 2013, MS decided to no longer support RPC, so Outlook has to be 2007 or newer.
You are welcome to use any open source software if you access Exchange through ActiveSync, POP3 or IMAP.
I realize the obvious. I was ranting because MS included outlook with your CALS at one time and I hadn't realized it changed. I will adapt, throw more money, and time at this so I can get back to my main objective or I may just upgrade as far as 2010. Still looking at my options.
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DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
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kudos:3 | reply to lorennerol
said by lorennerol:said by DarkLogix:said by lorennerol:That would be a reasonable explanation if the price for Exchange had gone down when they stopped including Outlook CALs, but it went up instead.
But now instead of just outlook as a client active sync devices are very common now so perhaps MS views that as the trade off, you lose outlook being included but now you're going to use iPhones and androids. Lower the value in one way but raise it in another. Exchange 2003 supports all those devices via ActiveSync; that's nothing new or added with 2007-2013. The new thing is the popularity of such devices.
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