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Montreal DSL

join:2011-02-02
Montreal-DSL
Reviews:
·TekSavvy Cable
·voip.ms
·TekSavvy DSL
reply to Montreal DSL

Re: [DSL] NEW RATES - Bell Québec & Promo

said by Montreal DSL:

said by TSI Marc:

1. - The promotion is likely to be available for the rest of the year.
2. - Promo rates are for the duration of your service or until you change your service.

Marc, just to be sure I get this right:

1 = The promo may be available until the end of the year so all customers subscribing until year end will be able to get the promo rates
2 = Once you get into the promo rates, you'll pay these rates for the next years as well or until you change your service, not only until the year end

Marc, can you please clarify this as well?

levesque739

join:2008-05-13
Laval, QC

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reply to dragonfly

said by dragonfly:

I also want to know why the prices are $8 more expensive in Quebec. That's non-trivial, I'll switch to another provider if it comes down to it.

Teksavvy is not the only one with different prices for DSL in Quebec and Ontario.
As an example, Velcom's DSL 15 with 400GB is 50$ in Qc and 40$ in ON. Ebox DSL 15 250GB is 45$ in Qc and 38$ in ON. So if i had to guess, i think Bell has negociated with ISP's a lower price then mandated by the CRTC in ON to compete with Rogers since Videotron's price is much higher in QC, and those ISP are giving that rebate to customers in ON. This would make sense from Bell... they prefer people choosing DSL instead of cable in ON when going to independent ISP's because they at least get some money that way.

Taken from »New pricing 2013 - Nouveau prix 2013

> Why such a price discrepency between Quebec and Ontario? Because competition is higher in Ontario on pricing/speed and we negotiated better rates so we pass the saving to our clients instead of banking the extra profit.


inferno_gn
Premium
join:2007-02-26
Verdun, QC
reply to TSI Marc

Hi there,

So price is going up or down?

Ju Leon...
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bbwarrior

join:2005-12-12
Saint-Laurent, QC
reply to levesque739

said by levesque739:

Taken from »New pricing 2013 - Nouveau prix 2013

> Why such a price discrepency between Quebec and Ontario? Because competition is higher in Ontario on pricing/speed and we negotiated better rates so we pass the saving to our clients instead of banking the extra profit.

The "negotiated" rates almost certainly had higher UBB capacity rates. We have a bunch of wholesalers trying to be mini Bhells now, just great.


bbwarrior

join:2005-12-12
Saint-Laurent, QC

1 edit
reply to TSI Marc

Marc if you can do a promo where ppl moving from cable to DSL get an extra $6/mo off for the promo period I will seriously consider it.

59.95 for unlimited would be acceptable but paying $6 simply based on where I live is a deal breaker.

*I can understand wanting to help legacy DSL clients but we're also paying a new setup + a modem that will cost ~$120.



cognizantt

join:2009-06-13
Montreal, QC
reply to TSI Marc

I'm in Montreal, dsl 6mb down - does the price 32.99$ apply to me as an existing customer or is this just for new sign-ups ?


xtrike

join:2006-12-08
Montreal, QC
reply to TSI Marc

Not sure if it already posted here, but is there still a mandatory rental fee for VDSL?



TSI Marc
Premium,VIP
join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON
kudos:26
reply to cognizantt

said by cognizantt:

I'm in Montreal, dsl 6mb down - does the price 32.99$ apply to me as an existing customer or is this just for new sign-ups ?

existing users get those rates.
--
Marc - CEO/TekSavvy


TSI Marc
Premium,VIP
join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON
kudos:26
reply to xtrike

said by xtrike:

Not sure if it already posted here, but is there still a mandatory rental fee for VDSL?

not sure about all the modem stuff yet though but I do know we'll have a purchase option.
--
Marc - CEO/TekSavvy

JonyBelGeul

join:2008-07-31

2 edits
reply to levesque739

said by levesque739:

said by dragonfly:

I also want to know why the prices are $8 more expensive in Quebec. That's non-trivial, I'll switch to another provider if it comes down to it.

Teksavvy is not the only one with different prices for DSL in Quebec and Ontario.
As an example, Velcom's DSL 15 with 400GB is 50$ in Qc and 40$ in ON. Ebox DSL 15 250GB is 45$ in Qc and 38$ in ON. So if i had to guess, i think Bell has negociated with ISP's a lower price then mandated by the CRTC in ON to compete with Rogers since Videotron's price is much higher in QC, and those ISP are giving that rebate to customers in ON. This would make sense from Bell... they prefer people choosing DSL instead of cable in ON when going to independent ISP's because they at least get some money that way.

Taken from »New pricing 2013 - Nouveau prix 2013

> Why such a price discrepency between Quebec and Ontario? Because competition is higher in Ontario on pricing/speed and we negotiated better rates so we pass the saving to our clients instead of banking the extra profit.

Did anybody else catch this? I'll tell you what I get out of that innocuous statement.

- Rates submitted by the incumbents to the CRTC are bogus
- A little competition goes a long way
- Incumbents have gobs of capacity for cheap
- QC customers are being milked due to lack of competition/to subsidize Ontario/to subsidize incumbent retail
- I'm pissed. Aren't you?

It's not such an innocuous statement. This kind of negotiation is usually done behind closed doors, and nobody talks about it afterwards. But here, we have the CEO of Ebox telling the world about it, thereby revealing the true state of the Canadian broadband market. I bet this bit will be picked up by somebody important, then the shit's going to hit the fan. In fact, Imma email Geist and see what happens.

This is the logic:

- If lower rates due to competition, then rates filed not based on costs
- If rates not based on costs, yet lower rates, then costs must be lower than filed
- If costs lower than filed, then must file new rates based on lower costs
- CRTC must review and issue new lower rates

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Marc_Mtl

join:2006-03-02

The price difference is because all packets must be translated to French as well. This adds serious overhead, and so, extra costs.

Euh...say what?


simsin0

join:2008-01-06
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL

Yea Im also uncertain how it can be justified that the rates are so different. If the tariffs apply to both QC and ON then how come we pay more?

Don't get me wrong I am verrry happy with teksavvy and one reason I like them so much is because is because of them being honest and upfront with us while maintaining high standards of quality service. ( I called with a tech issue and the gentleman on the phone was overqualified! He helped me fix an issue that bell would never be able to do)

There for I am willing to pay a premium for the honesty and the service but the analytical part of me doesn't understand how the rates differ in ON and QC.

PS: the only thing I could think of at equal tarrifs is there is something like heavier usage in QC per avg customer



bbwarrior

join:2005-12-12
Saint-Laurent, QC
reply to TSI Marc


Bumping thread, it was about to fall to page 3, this is when you know the plans aren't all that great. :P

virtual version of the rolling tumbleweed and cricket sounds.



ekster
Hi there
Premium
join:2010-07-16
Lachine, QC
kudos:3

Pretty much. I am a bit disappointed by this considering what some of the other indies offering, especially for those who have dry-loop.

Hoping they will be able to modify it further sometime soon.



TSI Marc
Premium,VIP
join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON
kudos:26

who knows what might happen between now and when we go live.
--
Marc - CEO/TekSavvy



ekster
Hi there
Premium
join:2010-07-16
Lachine, QC
kudos:3

Yup, it's why I'm still sticking with you guys and hope you will be able to change things around a bit.


donkey

join:2008-04-08
Montreal, QC
Reviews:
·Acanac
·TekSavvy DSL
reply to TSI Marc

said by TSI Marc:

who knows what might happen between now and when we go live.

yeah, I'm going to wait to cheer/complain once the new prices are written in stone Ontario vs Quebec.

simsin0

join:2008-01-06
reply to TSI Marc

Marc, whats the estimated timeframe to finalize and implement all the new stuff?



cognizantt

join:2009-06-13
Montreal, QC

i think he said yesterday 1 to 3 weeks



bbwarrior

join:2005-12-12
Saint-Laurent, QC
reply to TSI Marc

Marc,

Since you're keeping the max overage at $25.00.

If you run a promo $52.95 for 25/10 300 GB + DRY LOOP (>Band B) you will provide an interesting alternative to EBox + DRY LOOP (>Band B) at $50.95

That would give me an incentive to move from unlimited cable, I'd know that on most months I'd end up paying $52.95 with a max of $77.95/mo which is still $8 cheaper than unlimited 30/3(10) cable.

Unlimited 25/10 + DRY LOOP (>Band B) at $69.95 would give Ebox a run for their money and $8/mo incentive to go Unlimited vs 300 GB+max overage.