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SimplePanda
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join:2003-09-22
Toronto, ON
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL
reply to Walter Dnes

Re: [DSL] NEW RATES - Bell Ontario & Promo

said by Walter Dnes:

said by d4m1r:

Don't want to explain everything again but do a little search on these forums or even wikipedia how DSL works and you'll see it was always a bad fit for Canada but unfortunately, people with the same mentality as yours (priority on "consumer pricing", whatever that is) are holding the rest of us 21st century folk back....

What about YOUR mentality that places a priority on "consumer pricing"? "Budget Canadian Web Design and Hosting". But seriously, have you considered that there is no compelling reason for gigabit fibre for many Canadians? If not for being a hockey fan, and subscribing to NHL Gamecenter Live, I'd still be OK with the 640Kbit service. As it is, I upgraded a few years ago to 5 (which became 6) megabit ADSL. My current desktop (a 2007 Dell with onboard Intel GPU) can only handle the lowest-speed feed of NHL games. I've got a newer HTPC hooked up to my 50" plasma in my living-room for the highest-speed feed. Not quite HD, but better than SD quality.

And please don't tell me to go cable. From everything I've read, cable sucks. There are tons of cable horror stories on this forum. A DHCP server at Rogers broke down, and Teksavvy Cable customers couldn't log on for a week. Cable customers, whose super-duper speeds can allegedly smoke my 6 mbps ADSL, find Youtube 480 SD videos lagging/buffering. Meanwhile, I get 1080p HD Youtube videos just fine, thank you. One of my former co-workers, who lives in the same condo building I do, told me she and her husband quit Rogers because the TV service was out half the time. Bell has FTTN at this building, and had a Fibe-TV promotional event. Teksavvy's website says I qualify for 25 megabit ADSL service at my postal code. But why bother?

FYI in my experience NHL Gamecenter isn't great on Rogers cable because of node congestion in my area (High Park, Toronto). It -works-, but constantly flips between HD and SD feeds as the streaming system decides it's too slow for HD and cycles down, then cycles back up when it finds the bandwidth acceptable again.

TekSavvy DSL is basically locked on HD from game start to end.

Eug

join:2007-04-14
Canada

3 edits

Consistent speed is better than uber high top speed

said by GuardianU:

You might want to have Rogers come out and check your line. I just setup one of those boxes and the quality is perfect. (On an old Tube TV) I had Rogers come in and put down new cable after the tech came and found that there was a problem with the line. You may not have enough signal strength or there could be an incorrect splitter or too many of them that degrade the signal.

I've indeed had signal issues, so Rogers has come by several times, and eventually installed a signal amplifier in the house and replaced some splitters, and then went as far as installing RG11 to my house (replacing the old RG6). However, I have many active outlets in the house. In fact, that's one reason I'm a little hesitant to install Rogers cable internet. Doing that would lower the signal to the rest of the house significantly, potentially impacting TV viewing. The other reason is peak time slowdowns for cable internet downloads.

With that amplifier and RG11 installation my digital signal is now OK for TV. Both HD and SD look fine 8300HD PVRs and 3250HD. Still, that digital adapter has horrid quality in comparison.

BTW, during a reno I replaced a lot of my existing cable (a lot of which was RG59) with brand new RG6. Most of it was the regular builders' RG6 you find at Rona, but for a couple of critical lines I installed higher end Belden cable. To my pleasant surprise, it actually makes a small and consistent signal strength difference even for regular residential distances.

said by Walter Dnes:

My current desktop (a 2007 Dell with onboard Intel GPU) can only handle the lowest-speed feed of NHL games. I've got a newer HTPC hooked up to my 50" plasma in my living-room for the highest-speed feed. Not quite HD, but better than SD quality.

Meanwhile, I get 1080p HD Youtube videos just fine, thank you. One of my former co-workers, who lives in the same condo building I do, told me she and her husband quit Rogers because the TV service was out half the time. Bell has FTTN at this building, and had a Fibe-TV promotional event. Teksavvy's website says I qualify for 25 megabit ADSL service at my postal code. But why bother?

Having to constantly have long buffering times with high bitrate YouTube HD would be really irritating. But even more irritating would be the limitation of quality on other content, such as your NHL games, or in my case, Netflix HD.

I don't really need 25 Mbps, but I wouldn't be happy with less than a 15 Mbps account. 15+ Mbps allows you to have Netflix 1080p SuperHD playing and a background large file downloading to your computer, without significantly impacting surfing at the same time. It'd be pushing it though, and 25 Mbps adds extra cushion, while also providing high upload speeds (10 Mbps up in this case) if you want to upload an HD video to Vimeo or something for example.

said by SimplePanda:

FYI in my experience NHL Gamecenter isn't great on Rogers cable because of node congestion in my area (High Park, Toronto). It -works-, but constantly flips between HD and SD feeds as the streaming system decides it's too slow for HD and cycles down, then cycles back up when it finds the bandwidth acceptable again.

TekSavvy DSL is basically locked on HD from game start to end.

Indeed. As I've said before, on non-aggregated TPIA, TSI cable sucks in my area. I'm hoping for better for ATPIA, but we shall see. I'll let others be the guinea pigs, but I do know that people on Rogers on this POI also sometimes do have problems.

As I've said before, after a certain threshold, perhaps around 20 Mbps-ish, I value consistency more than top speed. I also like having good uploads, so TSI's 25 VDSL2 plan seems appropriate. This is not to say that VDSL2 is perfect, but judging by posts in this forum, in my area, my experience with VDSL2 has been much better than TSI customers with cable. YMMV.
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mkay

join:2008-04-13
Kingston, ON
reply to TSI Marc

Re: [DSL] NEW RATES - Bell Ontario & Promo

I wish bell would install a damn remote in this city.
The new 6mbps tier is cheaper than what i am currently paying for 2mbps 75gb(1.5mbps actual speed).

Its also been going down all the time for a week now because of ice/snow melting and freezing on the lines.


Eug

join:2007-04-14
Canada

said by mkay:

I wish bell would install a damn remote in this city.

No remotes in Kingston?
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PlatooN

join:2007-02-13
Kitchener, ON
reply to mkay

said by mkay:

I wish bell would install a damn remote in this city.
The new 6mbps tier is cheaper than what i am currently paying for 2mbps 75gb(1.5mbps actual speed).

Its also been going down all the time for a week now because of ice/snow melting and freezing on the lines.

ice and snow melting and freezing on the lines should NOT affect your sync. I suspect the link is nicked somewhere, and MIGHT actually be the reason you can only get 2mbps!

JeanInNepean

join:2012-09-19
Nepean, ON
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·voip.ms
·Primus Talkbroad..
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reply to mkay

If you see a degradation of your signal during the melt, you will probably experience a lot of sync losses (that's what happened to me). Just plug your modem directly at the demarc and if you have loss of sync/bad signal, you should contact TekSavvy so they can send a Bell technician to look at your line.

In my case, they just switched the pairs around, but the tech told me if the lines had both been damaged, they would have replaced them.



BigBoy55

@bell.ca

Any word on when these will be available or the prices for the 50/10?


Foristality

join:2010-12-04
M2K 6T8
reply to TSI Marc

Will there be changes on the cable?


Eug

join:2007-04-14
Canada
reply to TSI Marc

Data usage cap: Cable is download only, but what about DSL?

Currently on DSL, the data usage cap applies to downloads and uploads combined.

In the Rogers cable thread, Marc has stated that the usage cap applies only to downloads. Does that mean this download-only cap is only for cable? Cable uploads would essentially be free.

I did a look-see through this Bell thread again and can't find any similar statement for DSL, but it is possible I may have missed it.
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xxgg

join:2004-01-15
reply to TSI Marc

Re: [DSL] NEW RATES - Bell Ontario & Promo

Quick Question:

Since...
"The promotion is likely to be available for the rest of the year".

Those on 10Mbps or grandfathered 12Mbps like me will be upgrading to 15/1 DSL (if availble) since it actually is slightly cheaper ?

Hopefully 'Likely' will be likely.



TSI Marc
Premium,VIP
join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON
kudos:26

said by xxgg:

Quick Question:

Since...
"The promotion is likely to be available for the rest of the year".

Those on 10Mbps or grandfathered 12Mbps like me will be upgrading to 15/1 DSL (if availble) since it actually is slightly cheaper ?

Hopefully 'Likely' will be likely.

I'm still looking into that.. these are things that were just cleared up this week by Bell (CRTC asked that they answer these questions)

My hope is to get everybody off of those grandfathered accounts and in line with the new prices.

On the DSL side.. there should be nobody who doesn't get better pricing. We made sure to give back something to the legacy 6 users and everybody else would be on FTTN where these new packages are all better.
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Limber

join:2007-11-19
reply to Eug

Re: Data usage cap: Cable is download only, but what about DSL?

said by Eug:

In the Rogers cable thread, Marc has stated that the usage cap applies only to downloads. Does that mean this download-only cap is only for cable?

I too would like to learn whether or not uploads will count towards monthly bandwidth for people on a DSL package.


TSI Marc
Premium,VIP
join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON
kudos:26

said by Limber:

said by Eug:

In the Rogers cable thread, Marc has stated that the usage cap applies only to downloads. Does that mean this download-only cap is only for cable?

I too would like to learn whether or not uploads will count towards monthly bandwidth for people on a DSL package.

It will be download only on all packages.
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Eug

join:2007-04-14
Canada

Excellent! Thx!



qstns

@ecatel.net
reply to TSI Marc

Any progress on the questions about keeping promo pricing if we move and buying our own vdsl modems?

Ps what kind of timbit bribe would be required to get 50/10 300gb at or under $50 a month for the promo?



Mike2009

join:2009-01-13
Ottawa, ON
kudos:3
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL
reply to TSI Marc

Re: [DSL] NEW RATES - Bell Ontario & Promo

said by TSI Marc:

said by xxgg:

Quick Question:

Since...
"The promotion is likely to be available for the rest of the year".

Those on 10Mbps or grandfathered 12Mbps like me will be upgrading to 15/1 DSL (if availble) since it actually is slightly cheaper ?

Hopefully 'Likely' will be likely.

I'm still looking into that.. these are things that were just cleared up this week by Bell (CRTC asked that they answer these questions)

My hope is to get everybody off of those grandfathered accounts and in line with the new prices.

On the DSL side.. there should be nobody who doesn't get better pricing. We made sure to give back something to the legacy 6 users and everybody else would be on FTTN where these new packages are all better.



So my grandfathered 16/1 becomes 15/1 at the lower price? Anyone know the exact profile for 15/1?


andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
kudos:1
reply to TSI Marc

said by TSI Marc:

On the DSL side.. there should be nobody who doesn't get better pricing. We made sure to give back something to the legacy 6 users and everybody else would be on FTTN where these new packages are all better.

FTTN 300GB prices all went up so how is that better? I'm just going on whats posted on your site and this page to compare

Calmuser

join:2011-10-27
Canada
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL

said by andyb:

said by TSI Marc:

On the DSL side.. there should be nobody who doesn't get better pricing. We made sure to give back something to the legacy 6 users and everybody else would be on FTTN where these new packages are all better.

FTTN 300GB prices all went up so how is that better? I'm just going on whats posted on your site and this page to compare

I think I got an answer on this.

I asked Marc in another thread:

»Re: Teksavvy POTS ~20% price increase

Seems the he's trying to get the Promo pricing to stick around permanently, so then all the prices will be lower.

LastDon

join:2002-08-13
reply to Mike2009

said by Mike2009:

So my grandfathered 16/1 becomes 15/1 at the lower price? Anyone know the exact profile for 15/1?

Mine is set to 17989 down
1023 up


Mike2009

join:2009-01-13
Ottawa, ON
kudos:3

How come your upstream isn't set to 1085? I'm on 19455/1085 and I'm thinking I might get downgraded.


Walter Dnes

join:2008-01-27
Thornhill, ON
reply to TSI Marc

Today is an appropriate day to ask for clarification on the 2AM to 8AM unlimited stuff Is it standard time, or do the hours "spring forward" and "fall back" in March and November? If so, what are the rules for the transition dates?


unbb

join:2011-01-16
reply to TSI Marc

Is there anyway to get FTTN from teksavvy if there is already FTTH ( and no copper ) from bell? Meaning can a copper install be initiated? or can FTTN packages be had over FTTH?



Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23
reply to Walter Dnes

said by Walter Dnes:

Today is an appropriate day to ask for clarification on the 2AM to 8AM unlimited stuff Is it standard time, or do the hours "spring forward" and "fall back" in March and November? If so, what are the rules for the transition dates?

It's your local time... it's really simple.
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UK_Dave

join:2011-01-27
Powassan, ON
kudos:2
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL
·Bell Sympatico

Sigh.

Just wish I could get one of these new deals.

I'm stuck on 6/0.8 by all accounts.

Although, after the 6 months my internet was useless (thanks, Bhell) - I get to enjoy 6/0.8 like it WAS an upgrade!

And what a great move with the price reductions - the wife said it was the first reduction in monthly price she'd ever seen from a monthly-billed utility provider.

Well done, TS.