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dishrich

join:2006-05-12
Springfield, IL
reply to Mike Wolf

Re: [HD] FIOS Moving to MPEG-4 HD

You DID see this at the bottom???

as of 9/16/2008

All this is, is when they started broadcasting the multiplex feeds in HD; those extra HD feeds have been in MPEG4 since day one. (that's why they stated at the end, that (ONLY) the primary E/W feeds would continue to be in MPEG2 HD as well... )



adkinsjm

join:2004-10-13
Cuyahoga Falls, OH
reply to Mike Wolf

Has nothing to do with FIOS offering MPEG4 to its customers. Just saves companies the trouble of transcoding MPEG2 to MPEG4.
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Mike Wolf

join:2009-05-24
Beachwood, NJ
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reply to dishrich

aw that's too bad, was hoping everything was MPEG4 in 2013.
Wish they would hurry up already.
I think having a channel fully MPEG4 would be worth the subscription alone.


BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to adkinsjm

Other way around? Are they going to be able to pass MPEG-4 directly on, or is it going to be a way higher bitrate?


SpHeRe31459

join:2002-10-09
Sacramento, CA
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said by BiggA:

Other way around? Are they going to be able to pass MPEG-4 directly on, or is it going to be a way higher bitrate?

HBO also set standards for minimum bitrates it will allow MSOs to rate shape their feeds down to, but they only insisted on such limits for MSOs using their MPEG4 feeds.


JeepMatt
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Still no new HD Channels in Latest Bill

Well, in my latest bill that was generated Sunday, still nothing regarding any type of channel adds (so that pushes us through May).

With FIOS about to launch 25+ HD channels shortly, Comcast is really going to have to answer the bell.
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dishrich

join:2006-05-12
Springfield, IL

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reply to Mike Wolf

Re: [HD] FIOS Moving to MPEG-4 HD

said by Mike Wolf:

aw that's too bad, was hoping everything was MPEG4 in 2013.
Wish they would hurry up already.

Huh??? did you actually read that link, that YOU posted?
ALL HBO/MAX HD feeds ARE in MPEG4 already, & have been since this 2008 posting!
But they ALSO have kept (duplicate) E/W primary feeds of HBO & MAX (4 channels total) in MPEG2 HD as well.
And of course they still have all of the SD feeds of these channels in MPEG2; there's no point in changing those to MPEG4 at this point...

I think having a channel fully MPEG4 would be worth the subscription alone.

Why??? Until CC actually starts to offer HD channels (only) in MPEG4, they will have to keep transcoding them down to MPEG2.

mariod

join:2009-06-16
reply to JeepMatt

Re: Still no new HD Channels in Latest Bill

Comcast has to answer what bell? What 25 channels is FIOS adding, even? I can't think of anything Comcast is missing at this point that's worth watching.



cypherstream
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join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
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reply to JeepMatt

I was quickly checking the fios forums. What are the 25 new HD channels... didn't seem like there were 25 with concrete evidence of what on the way?

DirecTV has normally been behind the curve on HD channels since Cable operators did SDV or Analog reclamation... but on April 1st, OWN HD, Bloomburg HD and Fox Sports San Diego HD are on the way.

Eventually maybe all the operators will finally catch up with BrightHouse Networks in Tampa or TWC NYC?



JeepMatt
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reply to mariod

said by mariod:

Comcast has to answer what bell? What 25 channels is FIOS adding, even? I can't think of anything Comcast is missing at this point that's worth watching.

That's your opinion, but there are 50-60 HD channels live right now that Comcast does not offer.

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DrDrew
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said by JeepMatt:

said by mariod:

Comcast has to answer what bell? What 25 channels is FIOS adding, even? I can't think of anything Comcast is missing at this point that's worth watching.

That's your opinion, but there are 50-60 HD channels live right now that Comcast does not offer.

Cypher - shhhhhhh.

At this point, since Comcast seems to have so many open QAMs in many areas, I'd think the missing channels are due to lack of demand and/or broadcaster pricing not bandwidth.
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SpHeRe31459

join:2002-10-09
Sacramento, CA
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said by DrDrew:

At this point, since Comcast seems to have so many open QAMs in many areas, I'd think the missing channels are due to lack of demand and/or broadcaster pricing not bandwidth.

Doesn't seem like it, considering in the cases of the removed premiums that they did in the last year or so, what's missing in HD they carry in SD. Comcast likes to insist that anything you'd want from the premiums is OnDemand so to them it's okay that they killed the linear versions. It really seems like a way to force users into trying OnDemand. I mean OnDemand is so under utilized they're having a giant promotional "Watchathon" this week that opens up most of their VOD library because people aren't using it in the numbers Comcast would like.

The Q

join:2008-06-26
Collegeville, PA

said by SpHeRe31459:

said by DrDrew:

At this point, since Comcast seems to have so many open QAMs in many areas, I'd think the missing channels are due to lack of demand and/or broadcaster pricing not bandwidth.

Doesn't seem like it, considering in the cases of the removed premiums that they did in the last year or so, what's missing in HD they carry in SD. Comcast likes to insist that anything you'd want from the premiums is OnDemand so to them it's okay that they killed the linear versions. It really seems like a way to force users into trying OnDemand. I mean OnDemand is so under utilized they're having a giant promotional "Watchathon" this week that opens up most of their VOD library because people aren't using it in the numbers Comcast would like.

400 million on demand views a month, seems like someone is using it...

»www.multichannel.com/cable-opera···2/142082

SpHeRe31459

join:2002-10-09
Sacramento, CA
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said by The Q:

said by SpHeRe31459:

said by DrDrew:

At this point, since Comcast seems to have so many open QAMs in many areas, I'd think the missing channels are due to lack of demand and/or broadcaster pricing not bandwidth.

Doesn't seem like it, considering in the cases of the removed premiums that they did in the last year or so, what's missing in HD they carry in SD. Comcast likes to insist that anything you'd want from the premiums is OnDemand so to them it's okay that they killed the linear versions. It really seems like a way to force users into trying OnDemand. I mean OnDemand is so under utilized they're having a giant promotional "Watchathon" this week that opens up most of their VOD library because people aren't using it in the numbers Comcast would like.

400 million on demand views a month, seems like someone is using it...

»www.multichannel.com/cable-opera···2/142082

And yet Comcast still isn't happy...

Os

join:2011-01-26
US
reply to JeepMatt

Re: [HD] FIOS Moving to MPEG-4 HD

IMO, there is no legitimate reason to not have the additional HD premiums, especially since they can upload them 5 to a QAM MPEG-4.

That's the biggest gaping hole for Comcast. There's a few other things regarding networks depending on the region, but there's not any gaping hole that it's inexcusable to not have the HD feed.



Streetlight

join:2005-11-07
Colorado Springs, CO

Check out my post earlier in this thread and some replies - 1st page. My theory why they've gutted HD premium content involves increased profit - fees from replacement channels having commercials, still get fees from Premium Channel subscribers and fees from non- premium channel subscribers from single views of premium channel content via VOD.


BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to SpHeRe31459

Re: Still no new HD Channels in Latest Bill

I'm almost wondering if they don't want the difference between an 860mhz and a 650mhz system to be too big... or if they think they will need more bandwidth for XoD or HSI. Or they're just clueless?


The Q

join:2008-06-26
Collegeville, PA
reply to Streetlight

Re: [HD] FIOS Moving to MPEG-4 HD

said by Streetlight:

Check out my post earlier in this thread and some replies - 1st page. My theory why they've gutted HD premium content involves increased profit - fees from replacement channels having commercials, still get fees from Premium Channel subscribers and fees from non- premium channel subscribers from single views of premium channel content via VOD.

I did not realize you could buy single individual episodes or movies from a premium channel like HBO or showtime on demand.

I will take a closer look or do you have some examples?

SpHeRe31459

join:2002-10-09
Sacramento, CA
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reply to BiggA

Re: Still no new HD Channels in Latest Bill

said by BiggA:

I'm almost wondering if they don't want the difference between an 860mhz and a 650mhz system to be too big...

That's actually a pretty plausible explanation, they want everything to seem uniform no matter the system.

On that note... whatever happened to unifying the channel line ups across markets? They were going to move the HD channels into the 1000's and make them match their SD channel number for the last three digits.


cypherstream
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join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
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reply to Os

Re: [HD] FIOS Moving to MPEG-4 HD

If you like Premiums in HD, your best suited to get DirecTV or move to a TWC or Brighthouse area.

Even tiny Pennsylvania operator Blue Ridge Cable has all the multi screens of premiums in their Ephrata and I think Stroudsburg systems.

I like having all the premium HD's on DirecTV. Channel surfing you might find something interesting to DVR that you wouldn't of known about before.



Streetlight

join:2005-11-07
Colorado Springs, CO
reply to The Q

This week, On Demand has a Watchathon and many things are free and it may be hard to check out the costs. However, normally if one goes to a premium channel and select a movie the info screen says Free with Subscription. Presumably if one doesn't subscribe to a particular premium channel, it'll cost. I have a package for all of the premiums, so I don't see a cost. Check it out next week if you don't have premium channels and see what movies/shows cost on Premium HD On Demand.
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The Q

join:2008-06-26
Collegeville, PA

said by Streetlight:

This week, On Demand has a Watchathon and many things are free and it may be hard to check out the costs. However, normally if one goes to a premium channel and select a movie the info screen says Free with Subscription. Presumably if one doesn't subscribe to a particular premium channel, it'll cost. I have a package for all of the premiums, so I don't see a cost. Check it out next week if you don't have premium channels and see what movies/shows cost on Premium HD On Demand.

I believe the cost/ price shown is for the whole month of that premium service not just for that show or movie.

dishrich

join:2006-05-12
Springfield, IL
reply to Streetlight

said by Streetlight:

However, normally if one goes to a premium channel and select a movie the info screen says Free with Subscription. Presumably if one doesn't subscribe to a particular premium channel, it'll cost. I have a package for all of the premiums, so I don't see a cost. Check it out next week if you don't have premium channels and see what movies/shows cost on Premium HD

I have HD Preferred, but do NOT have HBO or MAX, so I tried a couple movies & specials from each service. ALL of them came up as FREE (no mention of "with sub") & I was able to watch them with no problems. (previously they had a charge) You have to sub to that particular premium channel to watch; you CAN'T buy these shows "a la carte".

Now on the Streampix tab, there didn't seem to be a lot of FREE preview stuff there. (I don't sub to it) About the only shows I found that were FREE, were Downton Abbey & 30 Rock; however, I believe these were ALSO available under the regular TV network tab.
Others I tried like Leave it to Beaver & Saturday Night Live (outside the current season) required buying Streampix.

Os

join:2011-01-26
US
reply to cypherstream

Cypher, that's the impression I get. Comcast is saying FU, go get FiOS or a dish, we don't want you.



Mike Wolf

join:2009-05-24
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reply to dishrich

said by dishrich:

Huh??? did you actually read that link, that YOU posted?
ALL HBO/MAX HD feeds ARE in MPEG4 already, & have been since this 2008 posting!
But they ALSO have kept (duplicate) E/W primary feeds of HBO & MAX (4 channels total) in MPEG2 HD as well.
And of course they still have all of the SD feeds of these channels in MPEG2; there's no point in changing those to MPEG4 at this point...

No, I only posted it in case someone was interested.
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telcodad

join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:5
reply to BiggA

Re: Still no new HD Channels in Latest Bill

said by DrDrew:

At this point, since Comcast seems to have so many open QAMs in many areas, I'd think the missing channels are due to lack of demand and/or broadcaster pricing not bandwidth.

said by BiggA:

I'm almost wondering if they don't want the difference between an 860mhz and a 650mhz system to be too big... or if they think they will need more bandwidth for XoD or HSI. Or they're just clueless?

Maybe this article on the Light Reading Cable site today provides an explanation. It says that the MSOs will need to reserve at least 24MHz of bandwidth for DOCSIS 3.1 HSI's initial rollout phase.

Making Room for Docsis 3.1
By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - March 27, 2013
»www.lightreading.com/blog/docsis···40151838

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to SpHeRe31459

They have moved them all in CT to the 1000's. They have similar lineups, but on my 650mhz system, we have 70 HD's, whereas my parents, on an 860mhz system have 110 HD's. I don't think they want to make the delta any bigger until they upgrade everyone to 860mhz, which seems to be taking them FOREVER.


BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to telcodad

They are already running 48mhz at least. My modem is locked onto 8 channels.



cypherstream
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join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
kudos:3

D3.1 uses OFDM so 24 MHz in addition to what they have now for D3.0/2.

But that seems a ways off. They must be holding back for other reasons.


Os

join:2011-01-26
US
reply to JeepMatt

Re: [HD] FIOS Moving to MPEG-4 HD

Remember though that Comcast has already launched metro ethernet in larger markets to carry the 305 Mbps tier.

I expect any broadband speed increases to gradually move to that network on fiber, independent from the current system.