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BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
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reply to motorola870

Re: [HD] FIOS Moving to MPEG-4 HD

I'm surprised that TWC has anything in analog, I thought they were the first to dump analog completely? Any system with analogs is living in the past, even Comcast's incredibly slow upgrade process has finally gotten rid of analogs over their entire system. Analog makes no sense: you can put 3 HD's (I wish 2...) on for every analog you remove, and if you move to MPEG-4, now you're looking at probably 5 HD's.

Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL

reply to cypherstream
I think rogers cable and other ontario uses SDV and they have the super sports with up to 23 HD channels for stuff like NHL CI, NFL ST and others.

Shaw cable uses MPEG 4 for NHL CI HD (up to 15 HD feeds) and NFL ST HD (up to 15 Feeds) and other channels??

Now at the very lest can comcast do a limited SDV where they trun off VOD slots for part time stuff like RSN overflows, red zone, goal line / espn buzzer beater, game 1-9 HD, team 1-9 HD, and others.

Also maybe down the road iN DEMAND can have the very part time HD PPV 2 come back also maybe add TEAM 10 HD and GAME 10-14 HD.

ESPN Game Plan HD Full Court HD soon?

att-uverse has 10 HD channels for NBA LP. Directv has DUAL HD feeds for most NBA, NHL, and MLB games.

Now in the past comcast talked about wanting NFL ST (I think the last time was 2-3 years ago when they talked about swapping NFL ST for CSN Philly) on directv

and now maybe in 2015 directv may not be the only place to get NFL ST in the USA.


Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL

reply to Mike Wolf
Now lets say comcast or others wants to make a move into the bar scene that directv has lock on due to NFL ST and to a lesser part most NBA, NHL and MLB games in HD.

can a sdv system drive a bar useing say 8-15+ part time lower use channels? will others on the same node find them self's unable to use VOD for prime sports time?

On directv the NHL, NBA, MLB and MLS feeds are mostly RSN remaps that are up 24/7 + the few part time Rsn over flows and sub feeds.

But to fit in NFL ST + other part time RSN needs they need to shut down most of the PPV movie HD channels. But then again they have like 34 HD ppv channels that is used to fill part time needs and when they are not needed for part time stuff they run PPV movies on them.



Cthen

join:2004-08-01
Detroit, MI
Reviews:
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reply to JeepMatt
More than likely the usual will happen. They will wait out everyone else on their roll out then take the most obscure way possible to deploy what ever they got coming next.

You have to keep in mind that it's not really about doing what they can to fit customers wants/needs. It's about giving as little as possible but just enough to keep customers mouths shut while charging the most they can possibly get away with.
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Mike Wolf

join:2009-05-24
Beachwood, NJ
kudos:3

reply to Joe12345678
Joe, the problem is , who exactly determines what channels are "part time lower use channels" What I watch on television all the time is different then what someone else may watch on television all the time.


BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

Whatever has terrible ratings. There's data out there on what people don't watch.



motorola870

join:2008-12-07
Arlington, TX
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable

reply to Mike Wolf

said by Mike Wolf:

Joe, the problem is , who exactly determines what channels are "part time lower use channels" What I watch on television all the time is different then what someone else may watch on television all the time.

it is all software based they poll the boxes and overall the channels that have the least viewing will be switched and if the cable company needs room to add more SDV channels they move more channels that are least viewed.

The system I am on switches everything except for:

2-99 digital simulcast
local HD/sub channels
music choice
National Geographic
We TV
LMN
PBS Kids Sprout
Boomerang
AMC
Hallmark
OWN
Youtoo TV
ZEE TV
TV Asia
Cartoon Network SAP
Mun 2
Tr3s
HBO
Showtime
Cinemax
Starz
The Movie Channel
Big 12 PPV
FSN+
Shop NBC
GAC
TEN PPV
Playboy Premium
Penthouse PPV
Indemand 1
Indemand 2
HDPPV
Discovery Channel HD
TNT HD
ESPN HD
ESPN 2 HD
HBO HD
Showtime HD


motorola870

join:2008-12-07
Arlington, TX
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable

reply to Joe12345678

said by Joe12345678:

Now lets say comcast or others wants to make a move into the bar scene that directv has lock on due to NFL ST and to a lesser part most NBA, NHL and MLB games in HD.

can a sdv system drive a bar useing say 8-15+ part time lower use channels? will others on the same node find them self's unable to use VOD for prime sports time?

On directv the NHL, NBA, MLB and MLS feeds are mostly RSN remaps that are up 24/7 + the few part time Rsn over flows and sub feeds.

But to fit in NFL ST + other part time RSN needs they need to shut down most of the PPV movie HD channels. But then again they have like 34 HD ppv channels that is used to fill part time needs and when they are not needed for part time stuff they run PPV movies on them.

VOD and SDV are two different things and TWC in most systems has two different separate pools of QAMs for SDV and VOD they do not affect each other in most cases there are a very small amount of TWC systems where VOD and SDV share QAM carriers but it is not like that in most systems.

Also the max loading TWC does for any SDV QAM is:

3 HD channels
2 HD channels + 2 or 3 SD channels
1 HD channel + 6 SD channels
10 SD channels


Mike Wolf

join:2009-05-24
Beachwood, NJ
kudos:3
Reviews:
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reply to BiggA

said by BiggA:

Whatever has terrible ratings. There's data out there on what people don't watch.

Yeah that's why a boat load of popular shows get cancelled every year...that's a flawed method.

Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL

reply to Mike Wolf
Talking about part time sports feeds that are not 24/7 channels. Better to switch them then to fill them with looping help videos or a logo screen when off air.


BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

reply to Mike Wolf
Or they could use actual data from the boxes of what people are watching...


The Q

join:2008-06-26
Collegeville, PA

reply to Mike Wolf

said by Mike Wolf:

said by BiggA:

Whatever has terrible ratings. There's data out there on what people don't watch.

Yeah that's why a boat load of popular shows get cancelled every year...that's a flawed method.

shows that get good ratings get more advertising dollars and don't get cancelled.

Shows that aren't watched or that cost more to produce than what they bring in in ad revenue get cancelled. That is the current business of television.

The most popular shows usually don't get cancelled.

Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL

reply to motorola870
but can they say trun off 13-15 VOD slots to fit in NFL ST that is only needed 1 day of the week for part of the year? or they can cheap out and trun off the team HD and game HD channels to fit it in. (lets just say we see little change in cable systems over the next few years) and maybe NFL ST is open to all but not in the hands of in demand.


RalphKramden

join:2007-01-10
Newtown, PA

said by Joe12345678:

but can they say trun off 13-15 VOD slots to fit in NFL ST that is only needed 1 day of the week for part of the year? or they can cheap out and trun off the team HD and game HD channels to fit it in.

I would bet that Comcast Having Sunday Ticket has nothing to do with fitting it in. If they think they can make money with ST, the next time the contact is up for bid, they will pay what the NFL is asking and make it work. More likely a business decision and not a bandwidth issue.

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

reply to Joe12345678
Couldn't they give it fixed channel numbers and then turn the channels on and off as they have programming on them, without using SDV? So that if you're tuning on a day that they don't have anything on, you just get an error?


Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL

I talking about bandwidth fixed channel numbers is not the issues. Can they say trun off VOD slots to fit it in or do need to have 13-15 HD slots + 13-15 SD slots (may be able to go HD only) be tied up with a NFL ST LOGO screen most of the time?

Look at info channel HD most of the time it's just a looping help video when it's not needed for CSN + HD. Now it's other question as to why it's be used for CLTV HD mirroring CLTV SD / CSN + SD that dates back the old analog days when it was CLTV and sports channel + / FSN + sheering a channel.

I would think by the time that analog was turned off that CLTV and CSN + would no longer need to be on the same channel and that was some time befor there was a CLTV HD.

CSN + HD and MOJO HD used to share the slot (comcast only) other systems had CSN + HD on it's own as CSN + SD on it's own (they did not have CLTV)

That does not bold to well if they can't get that right that they will be able to pull off NFL ST. Hell they don't even have goal line HD or big ten alts in HD (other cable systems do) but they do have red zone HD what are they doing with it's bandwidth then it's not needed. Now it's one thing to have 1 HD / 1 SD very part time channel but 13-15?? maybe more if in HD and SD.



Mike Wolf

join:2009-05-24
Beachwood, NJ
kudos:3

reply to The Q
Not always, if the show decides to "go out on top" when the ratings are good but the cast or producers want to end the show. Anyway this is all irrelevant to the topic.



motorola870

join:2008-12-07
Arlington, TX
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable

reply to Joe12345678

said by Joe12345678:

I talking about bandwidth fixed channel numbers is not the issues. Can they say trun off VOD slots to fit it in or do need to have 13-15 HD slots + 13-15 SD slots (may be able to go HD only) be tied up with a NFL ST LOGO screen most of the time?

Look at info channel HD most of the time it's just a looping help video when it's not needed for CSN + HD. Now it's other question as to why it's be used for CLTV HD mirroring CLTV SD / CSN + SD that dates back the old analog days when it was CLTV and sports channel + / FSN + sheering a channel.

I would think by the time that analog was turned off that CLTV and CSN + would no longer need to be on the same channel and that was some time befor there was a CLTV HD.

CSN + HD and MOJO HD used to share the slot (comcast only) other systems had CSN + HD on it's own as CSN + SD on it's own (they did not have CLTV)

That does not bold to well if they can't get that right that they will be able to pull off NFL ST. Hell they don't even have goal line HD or big ten alts in HD (other cable systems do) but they do have red zone HD what are they doing with it's bandwidth then it's not needed. Now it's one thing to have 1 HD / 1 SD very part time channel but 13-15?? maybe more if in HD and SD.

once more you can't steal QAM spots from VOD a that bandwidth is dedicated to movies and shows that on the VOD server you can't just add and take away from the VOD QAM pool. Plus 1 QAM has room for 10 SD programs for VOD. Using 1 or 2 QAMs is not going to kill anything for season ticket. It would be better that if a cable company did get season ticket that they use SDV as the channels will only be on when someone tunes into the channel.


cypherstream
Premium,MVM
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
kudos:3

reply to Joe12345678
If NFL ST does come to CC, then they could just make it MPEG4. Its a new package that "in order to get NFL Sunday Ticket, please upgrade to a new cable box". Only those that can afford to subscribe to that package would maybe need to swap out a box (likely they already have a box).

Most NFL ST customers would be new people signing up anyway. NFL ST would bring in a lot of new subscribers and they would just be given an MPEG4 set top from day one.

So you would only need 3 QAM's. 5 HD, 5 HD, 5 HD. Make it HD only because HD boxes can send a down converted SD signal for those who need it. NFL sports nuts who pay the $300 a season or whatever likely have a big HDTV anyway. If they can afford that cost for NFL and are that die hard into it, you bet they have at least an HDTV and maybe even surround sound.

What I'm saying is any particular new or niche package should be migrated to MPEG4. Its the easiest way to start a transition.



Cthen

join:2004-08-01
Detroit, MI
Reviews:
·Verizon Wireless..
·Comcast

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reply to Mike Wolf

said by Mike Wolf:

Not always, if the show decides to "go out on top" when the ratings are good but the cast or producers want to end the show. Anyway this is all irrelevant to the topic.

That's how some series shows I used to watch ended. One of them kept going on top every season but at the same time, most of the cast wanted to pursue other things and couldn't do a lot outside of the series due to it's work load.

Another fine example of that is the show Home Improvement. Tim Allen was offered $50 million per episode by the ABC network to keep the show going rather than ending it due to it's popularity. After talking it over with other cast members he still decided to end it so him and other cast members could go on to other projects or in some cases, some cast members decided to retire after a good long run like that.

EDIT:
Also keep in mind that some die out due to greed as well. Some shows will start out on their way to the top or make it to the top quickly. Some times actors/actresses get to big for their britches and will demand more money than what can be afforded with no bending or compromise in sight. In a lot of those cases you just can't swap out one person for another to play that role after some one has well established themselves in that role. So the only logical choice there is to just end it.
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