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Re: BHN price? said by Dampier:I can't speak specifically about Bright House Networks because I don't know if they use the same billing platform as TWC, which does serve my area. But my readers last fall (when that article was published) told me they were not being billed a modem fee with BHN when using Earthlink. It is possible something has changed since then, and I will be interested to learn if BHN does now bill Earthlink customers for the modem fee. A copy of a bill showing this would be very helpful.
Earthlink new customer promos are perpetually available to customers rotating on and off their service. I have readers who have easily obtained these $29.99 for six month promos at least four times. Customers can bounce between Earthlink and either TWC or BHN on new customer promos endlessly, as long as their division does not have a term contract.
Earthlink's website has not changed much since 2009. Ignore whatever speeds are advertised there. If your area offers two speed options, you will get identical speeds to TWC/BHN's Standard service or Turbo service. If your area only offers one Earthlink package, it will match Standard service speeds.
There is no modem fee for Earthlink customers with Time Warner Cable. I do not have first hand knowledge about BHN customers -- the best way to check this is just wait and see what turns up on the bill. The reason for this is that Earthlink is your designated service provider, not TWC or BHN. Neither company is supposed to be tacking on a modem fee under their wholesale contract with Earthlink, but it can quickly become a moot point if BHN were to apply one to their wholesale accounts, which Earthlink would quickly pass on anyway.
Earthlink is really allowed to resell its service at the pleasure of TWC and BHN, so they don't have much leverage on the matter. But they do specifically state upfront to all who ask that there is no modem fee with Earthlink on either TWC or BHN.
*If* a modem fee does show up on your bill, complain and demand a courtesy credit and then simply go buy your own modem. I did a few months before TWC imposed their modem fee and it will pay for itself in less than two years. I have had cable modems since 1998 and I've never had one die on me. eBay has some of the best deals with Amazon coming in second. Thank you for responding. I am a big fan of your site. Yes as of about a week ago when I switched the EL rep definitely stated there would be no modem fee. I am 100% sure. He also specifically stated the $29.95 promo price and the $41.95 price after the promo (not a price equal to BHN's current $51.95 + modem fee as has been suggested here by someone else).
I also believe (but am not 100% certain of this part) that the BHN rep who I was transferred to from EL also verified the price and that there would be no modem fee. Again I am not 100% certain of this though. She seemed so professional and knowledgeable that I wasn't too worried about her so I didn't pay as much attention as I did with the others. |
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 | reply to BHNtechXpert said by BHNtechXpert:Now to clarify a few things (after spending the better part of the day trying to digest and verifying Paradigmfl's posted experience).
- EarthLink at that promotional rate and without a modem fee is ONLY available through EarthLink meaning you cannot call BHN to obtain EarthLink service with the 6 month new customer discount OR avoid the modem fee. It appears that Paradigmfl tried to order the service at that promotional rate without the modem fee directly from us.
I think I clarified it with my previous detailed post. But just in case I first tried to contact BHN about getting a promo with RR, then with switching to Earthlink in general. This is when the BHN rep (the first rep in my detailed post) told me that they no longer worked with EL.
The reason I called BHN first was that in the past when you wanted to switch you could just call them up and have it done. Even for promos. I also wanted to see if there were any promos with Roadrunner or if they would be willign to make my bill more reasonable. In fact I had called one or two other times in the last month to ask about a BHN promo but was told there was nothing.
said by BHNtechXpert:- If you call us we will be happy to add EarthLink service however it would be at the current rate and the modem fee would apply. There is no way around this and do NOT interpret it as our being unwilling to help you which was part of Paradigmfl's complaint it's just that this is available only through EarthLink direct.
This isn't what the first rep said to me. They specifically told me that they were no longer working with Earthlink and in fact they were currently calling up customers to switch them over to Roadrunner. I would bet that I'm not the only customer to have heard this when calling. It's not "fiction".
said by BHNtechXpert:Yesterday upon realizing what Paradigmfl had likely done I reached out to him directly to verify that indeed his order originated from EL and was properly coded and as of this moment have not received a response yet.
I'm trying to be polite about this but as mentioned I don't currently feel it's in my best interests to give you my account information or to call you personally regarding the matter at this time. I would prefer not to explain further. Thank you for your offer to help.
If I am billed a modem fee I will definitely be contacting BHN and Earthlink first. If it's not resolved I will contact other parties and possibly escalate the matter then. I know I was told there would be no fee.
I assure you the phone conversations I detailed did happen and they are not "fiction". I do have records of the times and dates of the calls. |
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 BHNtechXpertBHN StaffPremium,VIP join:2006-02-16 Saint Petersburg, FL kudos:74 1 edit | reply to paradigmfl Yes. Still in Volusia county, CFL division. I'm not sure it's a good idea for my to give you my account information or to call you personally at this point so I am going to politely decline. I'm just going to leave it at that and not explain myself further unless you push me to do so and explain further (I would rather not do this and request that you not force an explanation). If I see a bill for the modem fee I'll definitely be contacting someone at BHN and Earthlink though.
The purpose of the call is to ensure you are properly packaged and to get to the bottom of the contact experience you described for your first call. If your intentions are to help others and ensure that correct information is consistently delivered as you claim you will take me up on the offer to review the call and use this as a learning/teaching moment.
1. Approximately 1 week ago I first called BHN. I talked to a woman who claimed to be in Orlando. I asked about switching to Earthlink after asking about any promos being available for just the internet. After stating there were no promos for what I wanted she told me that they were no longer working with Earthlink. I was very surprised and protested a bit. I believe I told her that I was looking at the offer on Earthlink's site and that I knew people were switching over because of the rate increases. She re-affirmed that they weren't doing that any longer and stated that in fact "they were calling people up and switching them over to Roadrunner". She seemed pretty confident of that which she was saying. I may have even asked her a second time if she were sure of this.
So this confirms your first attempt was indeed direct and not through Earthlink Direct and if I had to make an educated guess it was clearly as a result of confusion generated by the article that you read indicating otherwise. It does not explain the other information you received however but we'll never know because you have declined the offer to look into it.
5. Some days later I decided I wanted to go ahead and switch to Earthlink. I called BHN again and spoke to a very pleasant and profession female rep. I again explained that I thought I was paying too much and asked if there were any promos. She explained there were none and so I told her I would like to pay off my bill and set up a cancellation date in the near future.
I also brought up the other rep from BHN who told me they were no longer working with Earthlink. I think at first she tried to defend the rep a little bit and she mentioned something about perhaps she might be right and she just didn't get the email. But then I mentioned about how I thought it was part of a government agreement (actually it was a settlement with the AOL merger but I was not aware of that at the time) that they had to offer Earthlink and that the other rep probably could get in trouble for that? I told her I thought it was wrong to lie or act like that because it was dishonest and that eventually these things will catch up with a company. After all it's probably better for Bright house that I switch to Earthlink than I switch to AT&T and that chances are I might switch to Road runner again in a year or two. I explained that I've been a BHN customer for about a decade.
Even more reason for me to review the call(s). The offer stands indefinately to review this on your behalf for the purpose ensuring such confusion is avoided going forward. Paradigmfl for someone as consistently critical as you are of our techs, reps, contractors, processes etc I find your declining of the offer to use your experience as opportunities for improvement (once verified) perplexing unless of course the real purpose behind such posts isn't really about making us better which ultimately gives you a better experience.
Nonetheless the offer still and will stand for this and any concern you may have in the future.
-- ~All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer ~
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 BHNtechXpertBHN StaffPremium,VIP join:2006-02-16 Saint Petersburg, FL kudos:74 | reply to swbrains said by swbrains:I see the Arris TG852G is on the approved list. I currently have a separate D3 modem and telephone adapter (whatever that's technically called - MTA?). Both are being rented from BH.
The Arris TG852G appears to do both -- internet and telephony. Can I replace both of my current BH devices with this one device if I decide to buy my own equipment? I'd like to pear down the number of devices I have on the shelf if possible... 
Also, can the Arris TG852G be placed in bridge mode? I have my own router that I want to continue using.
Thanks! I seem to have missed this question swbrains...
The answer to both of your questions is yes. -- ~All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer ~
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 BHNtechXpertBHN StaffPremium,VIP join:2006-02-16 Saint Petersburg, FL kudos:74 | reply to GeNomer said by GeNomer:Interesting about the Eathlink thing, but there's no Earthlink Lightning now is there? No and we offer only one flavor of EarthLink which is 10/1. -- ~All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer ~
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 swbrains join:2004-04-14 Wesley Chapel, FL 1 edit | reply to BHNtechXpert
Re: BHN price? said by BHNtechXpert:I seem to have missed this question swbrains... The answer to both of your questions is yes. Actually you did respond on page 3 of this thread and PM'd me. |
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 BHNtechXpertBHN StaffPremium,VIP join:2006-02-16 Saint Petersburg, FL kudos:74 | reply to picrthis I'll get with ya in PM... thanks for reminding me - I must be getting old. |
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 3 edits | reply to BHNtechXpert said by BHNtechXpert:The purpose of the call is to ensure you are properly packaged and to get to the bottom of the contact experience you described for your first call. If your intentions are to help others and ensure that correct information is consistently delivered as you claim you will take me up on the offer to review the call and use this as a learning/teaching moment.
said by BHNtechXpert:So this confirms your first attempt was indeed direct and not through Earthlink Direct and if I had to make an educated guess it was clearly as a result of confusion generated by the article that you read indicating otherwise. It does not explain the other information you received however but we'll never know because you have declined the offer to look into it.
You made this reply prior to reading my reply above it appears. In the past I was able to call BHN and get information about EL specials and I believe get switched to them. Yes last time in looking it over I did have to call EL first. But in the past I could at least ask about getting switched over. Stopthecap isn't why I called BHN first. That is a bizarre accusation considering that you know I was previously a EL customer so I would presumably know how it would work.
It isn't Stopthecap's fault that a BHN rep told me they were no longer working with Earthlink and stated that they were calling current customers to switch them over to Roadrunner. The proper response from the BHN rep would have been to politely refer the call to Earthlink for more information. Not to pretend they no longer had anything to do with Earthlink and refuse to mention that I could call them and still get a seamless transfer of service to EL.
For the record this sort of thing isn't new. Here is another report on the forum from a different user who had similar experiences in 2011:
said by [Beware u :] TW-Brighthouse will drag its feet switching you....Let EL handle it . I wouldn't contact TW-BH at all. I am in the process of doing it myself... it has been a pain dealing with TW-BH: First when I called TW-BH to see what was the hang up .. to see why the delay in switching; they (she) told me "We do not handle EL anymore!". Then I had to call EL several times and each time I end up with someone overseas and had problems communicating... Finally I got someone I could converse with; and I told him about the situation - so he called TW-BH (conf. 3 ways)... and when he told her to set up EL for me and gave her my Ph #., her first reaction was :" but he is with RR"... at which point I spoke and said I want to switch to EL ... she finally said she will do it right away: it has been 10hrs since then and I am still waiting for the switch.... Frankly I don't know what to do at this point, if they don't switch me... I hate to go to ATT for DSL (because I don't like that CO); and there is no Verizon around. Any suggestions?
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said by BHNtechXpert:Even more reason for me to review the call(s). The offer stands indefinately to review this on your behalf for the purpose ensuring such confusion is avoided going forward. Paradigmfl for someone as consistently critical as you are of our techs, reps, contractors, processes etc I find your declining of the offer to use your experience as opportunities for improvement (once verified) perplexing unless of course the real purpose behind such posts isn't really about making us better which ultimately gives you a better experience.
Nonetheless the offer still and will stand for this and any concern you may have in the future.
I've tried to refrain from explaining why I don't want to contact you personally because I was trying to be nice. You're usually pretty helpful to people here and you're probably not a bad guy in person. I was hoping you would just leave it alone and respect my wishes and not continue on about forcing me to personally talk with you. But instead it seems you are now implying that I am up to something nefarious or that I am lying again, etc.
To be honest, even discounting our interactions from years ago, you are the rudest employee of BHN which I have ever dealt with in the way you have treated me.
You post replies calling what I say "fiction" over and over rudely-- implying that I am lying. Yes, you, a BHN forum representative calling a customer a liar openly in public! Then you go on about my posting history implying that there is something wrong with me (I had the worst one deleted). Then just now you throw in "unless of course the real purpose behind such posts isn't really about making us better"
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
What kind of company is Bright House networks to allow this kind of thing to go on?
Do you think I want to talk to you personally on the phone or give you my personal information? Does that make any sense?
You've sent me 5-6 PMs in the last 24 hours asking me to call you which I ignored. I've politely stated I didn't want to talk privately with you here three times and asked you not to push the matter. Three times. Yet you're still saying things like "unless of course the real purpose behind such posts isn't really about making us better" implying that unless I talk to you personally I must be up to something or have some ulterior motives.
The reason I don't want to talk to you personally and give out my personal information to you is because you've been extremely rude to me. You seem to not be in control of yourself sometimes and I don't trust you with my personal or account information. In my opinion it's very likely that you might try to retaliate against me in some way or perhaps even stalk me or my family. Like I said you may be helpful to many others here and a great guy in real life but the way you have interacted with me here has been in my opinion very rude.
That I have to make this post is an extremely bizarre thing. It should never have gotten to this point and I'm sorry that it did. |
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 BHNtechXpertBHN StaffPremium,VIP join:2006-02-16 Saint Petersburg, FL kudos:74 | reply to picrthis Paradigmfl I posted one IM asking you to call me and two follow-ups just a couple of minutes later (because I forgot a couple of things and you can't edit IM's) including one that said you could block your number if you wanted because I suspected you would be unwilling to call otherwise and I really wanted to confirm a couple of things in effort to get to the bottom of this. You responded the next day with a general inquiry wanting to know why in your public post and I answered the question one time in a private msg to you. That is all and we both know that.
It's very clear that your intent is not to resolve the issues you have raised but instead to stir up things (as you are well known for doing here) and I'm not going to sit by and let that happen without clearing the record as I have done.
Needless to say I wish you nothing but the best. It's unfortunate that you have declined my efforts to get to the bottom of your concerns as it relates to EarthLink despite my best effort so that we could improve the experience for others and certainly yourself.
I spent a significant part of the day working on this with a genuine desire to not only help you but others if we aren't communicating this correctly however I can't do much more without first reviewing your specific experience so that I understand exactly what happened.
If you change your mind please let me know and again all the best to you.
On a side note thank you for directing me to the one thread you found...I do appreciate it. -- ~All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer ~
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I don't know how you can possibly think this is the way to communicate with customers. I don't know how anyone in Bright House could think this is acceptable. |
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 Nayan join:2012-08-15 Melbourne, FL | reply to picrthis
Re: BHN price? Para, he has tried to help you in every way possible, you resist and now you come back blasting him for it? Really?!? smdh. |
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Re: BHN price? said by Nayan:Para, he has tried to help you in every way possible, you resist and now you come back blasting him for it? Really?!? smdh. Let's keep this in perspective. There isn't anything he needs to help me with. I've never asked for his help. All I did was post a detailed message originally telling people how to save money by switching to Earthlink. He then posted a message calling my statements "fiction" (i.e. that I am lying) and went on about my posting history, how I speak "as if I am an authority", "am only trying to stir up trouble" etc.
My service is fine now on Earthlink. I've received no bill showing a modem fee or showing a charge over the agreed $29.95. I don't see why I would need to contact him or why I would do so given the way he has spoken to me here. If I need to contact someone there are numerous other employees at BHN which I can contact. |
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 Yogi76 join:2013-04-05 Apopka, FL | reply to picrthis So I just called Bright House in an attempt to get their new $97 for Digital Cable + Road Runner Turbo promo. I was told that you must also rent the cable box for $10 and the modem for $3.50. I told the rep that I intend to use my own modem and I use CableCARDs at $2.50/month each, so I don't need their cable box or modem. She informed me that while she could drop the modem rental fee, I would be required to rent the cable box in order to get the combo price. She said the price for the Digital Cable + Road Runner Turbo combo without the cable box is $108.
The rep said, "it's like a combo meal at McDonald's." I proceeded to tell her that people would be livid if McDonald's advertised their combo meal with only the price of the cheeseburger and then, when you went to checkout, told you the fries and drink were each an extra cost.
So the "real" minimum cost of this promo is $107... $97 for the service and $10 to rent the cable box. |
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 BHNtechXpertBHN StaffPremium,VIP join:2006-02-16 Saint Petersburg, FL kudos:74 1 edit | said by Yogi76:So I just called Bright House in an attempt to get their new $97 for Digital Cable + Road Runner Turbo promo. I was told that you must also rent the cable box for $10 and the modem for $3.50. I told the rep that I intend to use my own modem and I use CableCARDs at $2.50/month each, so I don't need their cable box or modem. She informed me that while she could drop the modem rental fee, I would be required to rent the cable box in order to get the combo price. She said the price for the Digital Cable + Road Runner Turbo combo without the cable box is $108.
The rep said, "it's like a combo meal at McDonald's." I proceeded to tell her that people would be livid if McDonald's advertised their combo meal with only the price of the cheeseburger and then, when you went to checkout, told you the fries and drink were each an extra cost.
So the "real" minimum cost of this promo is $107... $97 for the service and $10 to rent the cable box. That is not correct...get with me on the direct side and I will get your order placed correctly with your cable cards and COE modem and also take care of the rep confusion...THANKS for bringing it to my attenion.
For the record you may always substitute cable cards for boxes in any promo we offer that involves video.
-- ~All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer ~
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 BHNtechXpertBHN StaffPremium,VIP join:2006-02-16 Saint Petersburg, FL kudos:74 | reply to swbrains said by swbrains:said by BHNtechXpert:I seem to have missed this question swbrains... The answer to both of your questions is yes. Actually you did respond on page 3 of this thread and PM'd me. Got back with you and also checked on the box issue for you...everything looks good but the reboot last night was later than normal...at 2:30 it still hadn't happened when I hit the sack. -- ~All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer ~
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 | reply to BHNtechXpert I am on the phone with customer service right now and they are telling me I have to pay for the one cablecard I have even though I do not have any converters and my promotion includes one converter. I guess I will have to open a direct forum post when I get home to have my account fixed too. |
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 BHNtechXpertBHN StaffPremium,VIP join:2006-02-16 Saint Petersburg, FL kudos:74 | said by ecollin2:I am on the phone with customer service right now and they are telling me I have to pay for the one cablecard I have even though I do not have any converters and my promotion includes one converter. I guess I will have to open a direct forum post when I get home to have my account fixed too. Thanks ecollin2 -- ~All truth goes through three phases. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer ~
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