2 edits | community broadband is communist Imagine if the state were to start competing with private businesses by setting up coffee shops. Imagine if they subsidized these businesses with public tax dollars to drive private businesses OUT of business. This could be considered communist...communism is a failure of epic proportions.
The state then starts to increase your taxes to pay for these enterprises. The state sets up restaurants, hospitals, cable news channels, electronic manufacturers....all subsidized with public tax dollars to drive out private businesses. The state raises your taxes to 90% to provide you with all these services. You then have to work for one of these state owned businesses because they are the only thing left. It even stops paying u a salary..instead u get a tax deductible voucher to purchase goods and services from other state owned companies.
Do you see the problem now?!?!?!?! |
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| Ignoring the false and rather juvenile suggestion that a town wanting to improve itself is "communism" and would result in a hysterical takeover of the universe -- there's a very simple solution for carriers to prevent this from happening: offer better services. |
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 VanPremium
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New Orleans, LA | reply to markbot
said by markbot:Imagine if the state were to start competing with private businesses by setting up coffee shops.
The fact that you use a coffee shop to compare that situation to this shows how little you have to back up your argument.
And yet again, why are you running to the most extreme part of this argument? Did anyone say they want the government involved in EVERY BUSINESS AT EVERY CORNER? Of course not.
When private sectors completely ignore residents, the cities SHOULD HAVE THE DISCRETION to build if they want to....why is that so hard to understand? |
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 firephotoFacts hurtPremium
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Brewster, WA | reply to markbot
said by markbot:Do you see the problem now?!?!?!?!
Yes, you equate consumer comfort markets (except the hospital) with vital needs to communities.
Private hospitals making money, making so much money that they can pay investors, lobby governments, manipulate what medical procedures are given, all at the cost of peoples health and lives. (that's problem #2). It's the perfect example of something the government should be doing but the private medical industry is so entrenched that they can manipulate the industry to make government institutions look bad and get vocal people to believe it.
You also take the common tactic and Ignore the fact that an internet connection is a utility and this fact is only masked by billions of dollars spent by private companies to keep it from being an expected service and forever being just a privilege.
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to markbot
You have failed.
First off coffee shops have competition and they do not have an artificially protected market. Anybody can buy or lease a location and try and make a successful shop.
Also non private hospitals and health care would be a boon for this country. We are the only modern nation that has slaved its well being to the whim of the shareholders.
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Please explain what town does not have at least 5 coffee shops.
However, what is someone to do when they cannot get broadband...at all? Who would the "government" be competing with? Obviously, no one is providing service, so there is no competition.
Also, this is more a local government action than a state or federal action. Generally, it takes the form of a public-private cooperative, so it's not even fully government-controlled. |
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patcat88
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Jamaica, NY
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said by markbot:Imagine if the state were to start competing with private businesses by setting up police stations. Imagine if they subsidized these businesses with public tax dollars to drive private security businesses OUT of business. This could be considered communist...communism is a failure of epic proportions.
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Do you see the problem now?!?!?!?!
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i'm just giving other examples of this situation...what ifs on other private businesses. |
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good one, but in this case a private business has already set up the enterprise....which later on is deemed vital and then the govt effectively destroys the private business and takes over the industry. sound familiar???!?!?!? |
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To all morons who really don't understand COMMUNIST:
Just imagine Dunkin Dognuts paying off local commisar-politicians to disapprove business licenses for any other coffee shop, and at the same time, legally limiting the number of coffee shops (only one in each area) so Dunkin get all the business!
When that happens, come back and start yelling COMMUNIST again! |
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said by markbot:Do you see the problem now?!?!?!?!
Which is worse, A private company writing its own laws or community broadband? |
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openbox9Premium
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japan
kudos:2 | The politicians that vote arguably questionable legislation into law? |
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| said by openbox9:The politicians that vote arguably questionable legislation into law?
WHAT? |
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openbox9Premium
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kudos:2 | You suggested that corporations somehow magically create laws, which isn't accurate. They may influence legislation, but ultimately the laws come from our elected officials. The legislators are to blame, plain and simple. |
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | reply to jfleni
That however would actually be called Deregulation and "Leveling the Playing field" in most states. |
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said by openbox9:You suggested that corporations somehow magically create laws
They use money. No magic needed or implied.
When corporate influence gets to the point that people are demonizing community works without being shamed we should question if Corporatism is working.
Problem is we have such a top heavy federal tax. If it were removed, then communities would not have to grovel to get their own money back, or face stigmas when trying to IMPROVE life for its local residents. |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to markbot
said by markbot:good one, but in this case a private business has already set up the enterprise....which later on is deemed vital and then the govt effectively destroys the private business and takes over the industry. sound familiar???!?!?!?
Sounds like the Rural Electrification Act.
The government stepped in and did what private industry would not because private industry cares more about their stock price than their customers.
If the REA never happened I bet midwestern farms would still be waiting for electricity.
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openbox9Premium
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kudos:2 | reply to DataRiker
said by DataRiker:They use money. No magic needed or implied. Great, corporations use money. Who ultimately has the power to vote a bill into law? |
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| Have you ever considered these politicians get elected with Corporate cash and influence with false promises?
Kind of defeats your whole implied argument. |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | except now with SuperPACs we do not even know exactly where every single billion has come from. If I remember correctly, Unlike normal campaign donations a superPAC does not have to say who gives them money.
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